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Pretty sad!
The most covered race I’ve seen in the karting magazines except the Rotax Grands. National recognition. And a hell of a great time. At least there are some fantastic photos to preserve the memory.
Maybe Steamboat?
Umbrella girls?
Beer garden?
😯
Re: Karter meeting following the banquet
by blink on Thu 12 13, 2007 2:01 pmRick,
I believe the two day race suggestion was for the 5 race series to remain the same but done in two days instead of one. I do not think they were wanting one weekend to count as two races.
Well…Leave it to me to stick my chest out about something I’ve mis interpretted! Must be the steroids?
But why not. 1 weekend equals 2 races? We have racers who say they have a professional life to maintain and would not race a 2 day weekend event, But suggests taking a weekday off of work / school to practice? I don’t get it? Same people who were practicing at Gjms on Saturday before the Sunday race anyway?
3 weekends a year with a full race Saturday and Sunday. After we’re done on (at 3:00) Saturday we could have a big pot luck and barbeque, limbo, mud wrestling or whatever.The rest of the year is for Club and Rotax. The 3 weekends are more of an show! We could easily set aside 3 weekends to run a 6 race series. And maybe travel to a few races, work on my house, take a vacation etc… It would free up 6 potential revenue days for You, Stacey and Jim.
Blink, just seems like the Csc is loosing some of it’s lustre. I hate to see it happen. Would like to see some kind of effort getting this series back to the regard it was once held. We were heading towards the same esteem as series like Gatorz, Prokart, Nor Cal and so on. Now just seems like a second series running nearly parallel with club series. Doesn’t mean as much.
I know the decisions have been made. But feel compelled to express my dreams for Colorado karting. If I’m off on the wrong tangent, I’m off on the wrong tangent!
Just my thoughts
Rick
by Kart45 on Wed 12 12, 2007 2:32 pm
A. Each CSC event would be 2 day shows
B. 2 races at each track
C. 1 drop
D. make 1 race double points.
E. At the completion of each main event a number is drawen from a hat and that number represents a specific tech item. example #6 would be the cylinder head volume or CC. and this would be the tech item of the day for that class.
D. A title sponsor for the series.Personally I like Mikes (Edwards) ideas.
Seems to me the Csc has no “premeir status. It is just blended together with the club series now. With a hell of a lot of races to choose from! Why can’t we look at making this series a little more elite? We pay more for entry fee’s, can’t this go to making this a better series? Or maybe we should just all run the club series? The big difference between Club and Csc is a few racers from Utah participate and Grand Junction is included. It was said the Csc killed club racing a few years back. Nows it seems be shifting a little. Is the Csc financially healthy enough to be a premeir series? The racers really have no idea of what the money goes to and where the series stands in that regard.
Why can’t we have 2 day races? We spend real close to $400 per race day per kart to run the Csc. ($4800 per year in entry / parking, fuel and tires alone, in a six race series) I would be ok with running each of the 3 tracks 3 times for double races. (and make Grand Junction double points to get participation over the hill) Pay twice the entry but only pay the expenses for getting there one time. Don’t see what the difference is to the track. If we pay for an ambulance for two days back to back, or two seperate days. This applies to workers etc… Seems like 3 weekends of Csc racing would free up the club and Rotax dates. Freeing up more rental kart days too. Same money to the track owner. I don’t think this can even be compared to a Skusa or Stars National event?
Let there be one drop. Roman Dnf’d the first Csc race. We were done, we could have parked it for the year at that point. We raced out of respect and sportsmanship to the other racers and track owners. If you don’t allow a drop, your screwing up. See if spending $400 per day knowing your out of the running for a Championship will keep participation up. I understand, not everyone is going for a Championship, but if you’re running at the Regional (Csc) level. You probably are. I know the points are hard to calculate, but if you print it out, do some figuring, you can do it. Maybe some help from Angie, but it can bo done, I know.
Re: Karter meeting following the banquet
by Doug Welch on Thu 12 13, 2007 7:31 amAngie MacEwen wrote:
Nothing for next season is set in stone. No schedule has been set, no classes have been decided on.I’m not picking on you Angie so please don’t take it that way. But in a way, I think this is a sad commentary on the state of our sport in Colorado. Most of us have already stated our opinion at various times on this forum and directly to the track owners this fall. I know I have and I know that many others have. By this time the track owners should be announcing the results, not asking for more input. They should already know what we want. Another meeting of table pounding and someone getting PO’ed and walking out is not what we need.
Maybe things have been mentioned by the racers and have fallen on deaf ears. For example; we ran the Rotax series here and supported the complete series, even supported the series after clinching a Championship by running the last race and buying fuel, chain lube… whatever The Track had for sale, we bought from them, and did all year, to support the series and track. There is no mention of recognition for this series. Seemed a little gray to me. Do we get a trophy, gift certificate, an atta boy…Just sounded like everyone who wanted to go was going to get to go to the Grand Nationals. We would have gained better data durung practice days vs race days.The Gatorz series awards their competitor’s with a new fr125 package, or a free test and tune in a car or a free bicycle to the young ones, and so on. For next year, in my opinion, there are 5 drivers, who, if they choose to compete in Rotax Masters. Of these three of the 5 are going to qualify. Are only 5 going to enter? Will this series have good turn out? We considerd running a DD2 this year after speaking Doug about the package and it’s benefits, particularly to a heavy driver and speaking to theRamos’ at the Grands and Supernationals, regarding the coming popularity of the DD2 and the posibility of a Masters DD2. Then hear our local DD2 will run over 35 only. A true “Masters Class”? Not what Rmax will do, but what we will do locally. That leaves Roman out. Even if the DD2 will not run in conjunction with Rmax, it sure would be nice to rack up the laps in conjunction with future DD2 Masters competitions here and elsewhere. They don’t want to run with Roman. Rotax believes in a place for Heavy drivers. Oh well. Not a option, one entry gone there.
by Mike Jansen on Thu 12 13, 2007 10:20 am
CSC comments:
Too many classes. It’s like raising bunnies. That said, combine the small classes. Action and not talk. What’s the cut off number for DROPPING classes?
Tech in the lower classes. GREAT. That way parents know their kid got beat by a better driver and not engine. Put that dog to rest, please. If they’re willing to tech, they’re willing to pay for it.Trophies to the top 5 in the lower classes. Give them something to aspire to. Not to just show up. It’s called competition. Get used to it. You’ll learn about it when you grow up might as well get a glimpse of it now.
Double the entry fee (or higher) if you want to race saturdays and sundayS, the track owners deserve it. And count me out. I have a career that needs my attention. I have no aspirations to make it to: NASCAR, F1, IRL, CHAMP CAR, WRC ETC…
If you DO keep the classes diluted by having a lot of options and choices for the same age groups, then you need to rid Sunday of PRACTICE. Practice on saturday or midweek, whatever. F1, NASCAR, Indy and Champ don’t practice race day, why should we?
Tech all the classes. I love Mike’s idea of puling a number out of a hat and that’s what they look at that day, that class. We need tech and consistent tech in all classes, not just juniors.
I doubt Classes will be added Mike.
I don’t think trophys down to 5th is needed. We don’t even care about the individual race trophys. It’s the regional Championship we want awarded, and what we shoot for in the Csc.
I Loved having a temp circuit included in the Csc. That was killed last year. Not sure if the racers had a say in that?
Not sure if the meeting will amount to much. We don’t have a series that stands alone. It may be best to just have the closed door meeting. And you either fit or you don’t. You’re thoughts or opinions may not matter anyway. These decisions have / will be made without input from the meeting anyway? Right?
More importantly, we’ll have fun at the banquet.
Rick
That’s what you really need the instuments for….. The hot rod, 2 stage, full swivel, chromium plated snow blower. Uh ha!!!
And yes Craig 4 years on the road playing music and it was all lip synched behind an “8 track”
This isn’t even close to what you’ll in Canada. You’ll be trading that wimpy little 2 stage bolwer for one with a big block! O Craig, it’s going to be O so cold, in o Canada!
http://jalopnik.com/cars/gadgets/big-block-snowblower-141784.php
What a cool facility! It was much more than I expected for sure (need to get out more?)
Barry certainly has a cool place to work. The Dyno and it’s capabilities…? He has banks of knowledge that we are guessing on the track testing results. Hum?
Post by sjpkarter on Sat 12 8, 2007 10:32 am
Howdy – During this off season I’m wondering what karting related publications might be of the most interest to a rookie in terms of learning about karts, engines and related equipment, tools and maintenance info., driving technique, kart setup, and so on?Thanks!
Sheldon Potter
Hey Sheldon,
Don’t know if you have a kart yet? But the internet is awesome if you search for “Crg Chassis setup” or “Leopard rebuild manual” or “Delorto Carburetor” or “driving eye exercise”for instance. Or whatever specifics interest you, there is a lot of information out there. Just because it’s on there does not make it gospel, but a lot of it is supplied by manufactures, Kart Shops etc… and is awesome.
As Curt mentioned, Ekn is a wealth of knowledge. Perform a search before posting a question to see if it has been hashed out before. You can do the same on this site as well. If you’re not at Billet Performance today, you’re missing out on information opportunities. Doug’s seminars should be a “must do” as well. Call or hang with Aj, Brad, Doug, Barry, Jim, Jb (or people in the know) and pick their brains and Bs. Doesn’t get much better than that.
Pm some of the others that post on this site. Ask particulars. Racers may not give you the whole play book, but there is a lot to learn before you get down to the “Nat’s A$$” stuff anyway.
Look on Youtube for on board video. Search “shifter kart” sort by rating, it will usually bring up the best stuff to watch. Grand Junction Motor Speedway has on board video of the track. It can be very help full to start learning an unfamiliar circuit and the fast line around it. That will help you visualize, which is an awesome method for driving consistent laps anywhere and how to keep you hands still and relaxed. It will soak in.
If you are not going to race in the enduro (pretty sure it will happen this year, with some thought put into it) go help or hang out with a team. It really doesn’t matter what kind of chassis or motor you bought. Point is, you’re racing karts. Which is good for the whole karting community.
Hook up with the some of the other new racers who are hanging around this site. Learn together, go to the track together an so on.
In print. Memo Gidelys books are pretty good. There are chassis dynamic books that apply to karting. Go Racing magazine is a free publication available at your local kart shop. National Kart News (NKN) A Wka membership will get you their monthly magazine, but it covers a lot of forms of karting which are vague in this area. Kart Sport had such a great magazine, but the future seems a little uncertain.
Dig,
Rick
2 strokes engines
Post by ROTAXIAN
The 2-stroke Direct Injection (DI) 3-wheeler offers a 30% improvement in fuel efficiency and superior performance.
And…. exhibits absolutely no chassis bind whatsoever!
Stacey,
I don’t think a lot of the newer racers here in Colorado know what you really have under the hood. The Super Nationals brought that to a lot of peoples attention.
You and your brother need to at least run Tag or something. You may be the only one who can stop Cunninghams total domination next year! Get in there and mix it up. I’ll help cover while you’re on track if it helps. I’m not sure I totally agree with the “shouldn’t race against customers” thing. But that’s your call.
I know some customers choose Aj Noud because he is capable of going to any National level race and running in the top 10 or better. That sells.
Anyway. You have to be in a position to capitalize on luck. No one else will ever win the last Pro Moto race at Moran. Good work!!!
Re: ENDURO RACE @ IMI
by Curt Kistler on Thu 12 6, 2007 7:03 amDammit Rick,
You and I had an agreement to not show anyone Matt’s new ride for ’08.
Thanks Booby, payback are a #*&@#!I’m sorry Big Daddy. That Kartworks 4-Stroke just looks soooo good warming up on the stand! Couldn’t help myself.
Rick Booby
