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CSC EVENT:
FRI:GROUPED PRACTICE & RENTALS. TEST & TUNE FEE!
SAT:(NO RENTALS)
8:00-10:00 GROUPED PRACTICE
10:00-12:30 QUALIFY
12:30-1:00 LUNCH FOR “QUALITY” STAFF,TECH DIRECTOR & CORNER WORKERS
1:00-4:00 HEAT RACE 1 (AVG 10-15 LAPS)
4:00- TILL CLOSE GROUPED PRACTICESUN:
7:30-8:00 ENGINE BREAK-IN
8:00-11:00 HEAT RACE 2 (AVG-10-15 LAPS) INCLUDING KID KART & JR1/K80 MAINS (THROPHYS @ LUNCH)
11:00-12:00 LUNCH FOR “QUALITY” STAFF,TECH DIRECTOR & CORNER WORKERS
12:00-4:00 MAINS: 15-25 LAPS FOR REMAINING GROUPSCOST OF 2 DAY EVENT: $250
REWARDS FOR MORE RACING: PRICELESS!I don’t have a problem with running 2 CSC race events in one weekend, I only have a problem running one race in two days and having to pay twice the expenses.
I totally disagree with a race streched out over 2 days. Why would we want to strech something out over 2 days, that we have learned to have completed by mid afternoon? A race a day for 2 days back to back. Sure well go home tired. But a third of our season will bo ever in one weekend. We could do it. Make the last race at Gjms and make one day double points. Get the entries. Get some fire going under this thing. Have some time for the rest of our lifes. Or other races or whatever.
As far as how we race….it’s fine. The classes are fine. How the day is run is fine. Tech needs improvement. But most everything else if fine.
Brad and others…..I’m sorry I didn’t explain it better, My bad.
2 CSC races in one week-end.
Mikey :oOo
Re: Karter meeting following the banquet
by Kart45 on Thu 12 13, 2007 3:14 pmBrad and others…..I’m sorry I didn’t explain it better, My bad.
2 CSC races
See Brad, See!!!!
I like Rick’s and Mikey’s idea. Just like the PMT of old and Stars of new. Three race weekends, one complete day each day. Go ahead and allow one drop. It means in actuality each event becomes a 3 day as Friday will be practice. But all 3 events could be in the summer so as to minimize kids missing school.
It just might be the ticket to make the CSC events huge again.
No racing org, schedule, classes, etc.. will ever completely satisfy the masses. Good luck.
My only suggestion for the CSC is to keep your Race director, Tech director, and Starter consistent from one race to the other. It is my personal opinion that this is where the CSC lacks. Dennis Z. and Angie are the only thing consistent (except when Dennis got hurt and didnt go to GJ). If these three people are front range folks, the only CSC expense outside of paying these key officials will be lodging in GJ. I’m sure Stacey can pitch a tent or something on the 8th and 9th tee boxes for them!! 😀
Best of luck to all.
BR
Where do I sign? I love the idea of a Stars style weekend for all the reasons already mentioned. The idea that the CSC would have more panache so to speak, is what the series needs IMO. I’m obviously not a track owner, so I’m not sure how it would effect them either good or bad, but like was mentioned it would free up more rental/corporate days as well.
Brandon Anderson
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by Doug Welch on Thu 12 13, 2007 4:25 pmI like Rick’s and Mikey’s idea. Just like the PMT of old and Stars of new. Three race weekends, one complete day each day. Go ahead and allow one drop. It means in actuality each event becomes a 3 day as Friday will be practice. But all 3 events could be in the summer so as to minimize kids missing school.
It just might be the ticket to make the CSC events huge again.
I agree with Doug. And I would do anything within my power to make it a special 3 weekends. Helping with barbeque, help to set up a raffle with some goodies from our shops ( Gunslingers stuff is cool! Right Brian?) and vendors, maybe get a little support from the kart shops to raffle goods. Maybe some activities for the little ones. Keep it in the summer. Considering the National races, Ama, The Rock…. Would be much easier to schedule around conflicts. Wouldn’t this be easier for the West Slopers and Utah gang? Maybe attract some more out of town racers in the proccess. 3 trips for 6 events vs 6 trips for 6 events. Has anybody seen fuel prices lately? I don’t think everyone is considering the good of the whole in a closed door meeting.
Re: Karter meeting following the banquet
by Brian Robson on Thu 12 13, 2007 4:42 pmNo racing org, schedule, classes, etc.. will ever completely satisfy the masses. Good luck.
My only suggestion for the CSC is to keep your Race director, Tech director, and Starter consistent from one race to the other. It is my personal opinion that this is where the CSC lacks. Dennis Z. and Angie are the only thing consistent (except when Dennis got hurt and didnt go to GJ). If these three people are front range folks, the only CSC expense outside of paying these key officials will be lodging in GJ. I’m sure Stacey can pitch a tent or something on the 8th and 9th tee boxes for them!!
Best of luck to all.
BR
And this is something that some of racers have discussed already. But were waiting to table at the meeting. (Does it still matter what we think?)
I agree with Brian as well.
These are my thoughts. Without talking to the respective parties, of course.
How about Curt Kistler as a race director? Matt is going to school and they are taking a year off. He has a great knowledge of what we do, is fair, ran the best display of safety at a race, I’ve seen (1st GGP) Has a trailer that would make a nice mobile headquarters, corner worker lounge, timing. And… works cheap.
Also. I think Brian Robson would be an awesome tech director. Basically grown up in this racing game. Not sure if he is a full on engine guy. But not sure you have to be (I love tearing things apart, I don’t have to put together) and with a little help and some tools / equipment. He would be awesome. I’ve seen him work the Supnationals. (You could help build the track with him for 3 days, drink beer with him every night.. but, by God, if you don’t have your wrinst band, you not getting on the frigging grid!) A little guidance from Brad and Doug. And random area’s of tech focus. It could be good.
Don’t know what everyone else thinks, or if he’s interested, but, Bobby has done one hell of a job. And has gotten better with age.
Maybe these individuals would have no interest. They are just the ones I would try to get if it was my decision. They all have passion for the sport. Not just a hired hand. The culture of our sport is important and these individuals are all about charachter.
Someone mentioned a title sponsor. That would be awesome to provide some of the “speecial” part of setting the Csc apart. We have some very resourse full people in our group. How bout going after someone to support us. There must be some benefits for them too. Even if it’s tax related. Seesman has a sunglass company. We need something. Mazda, Crocs, Coors (ummm beer) Something. Someone much smarter than me should be able to come up with something.
The Csc needs a shot in the arm! When you have local racers just thinking about dabbling a little here and there and not committing to a local series because its gone a little flat. You need to look at it.
I think the track owners should listen to the customers. Not to revamp the whole damn thing, just to make customers happy and to keep them coming back. Stop this “average karter stays in the sport for 2 years”, or whatever it is. Seems to me some of the series that are having success (Gatorz, Prokart) are listening to their customers, at least to a degree, and not having the track owners decide the future behind closed doors.
I don’t think it should kiss everyones a$$ or try to cater to every whim. But if there are racers who have constructive input and aren’t heard, they may loose interest and choose another series or just give up altogether. Shame for the benevolent dictator then. this is not F1. It’s easy to say you want one. It’s also easy to gripe later about it. It’s even easier to offer no constructive input on what was once a series heading towards being one of the best in the country. It still could be.
Sorry about all the spelling errors. My spell check is off again. Where’s Roman?
Rick
I can definitely see the merit in going to a two day race format but I’m still against it. My plans and budget for the summer are set for racing. If we limit it to three weekends the cost will be the same with a lot less racing. This also potentially puts people out of the running if they can’t make a weekend. I’m stoked to run CSC next year simply because it is a state series. I’d never drive all the way to Grand Junction unless it was part of this state series. I was stretched to run 12 club races last year and a six race format with an odd club race thrown in sounds perfect to me. I plan to run 6-10 races spread out over the summer. The CSC still has it’s “special draw” because I’ll race in it no matter what format is chosen. I’d just prefer to have my racing spread out so I don’t pour everything into three weekends a year. Let’s keep the fun spread out!!
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by apsdsmracer on Thu 12 13, 2007 6:00 pm
I can definitely see the merit in going to a two day race format but I’m still against it.Probably wouldn’t be if you were from Grand Junction, So Colorado or Utah etc… We want to most competitors to race against
by apsdsmracer on Thu 12 13, 2007 6:00 pm
My plans and budget for the summer are set for racing. If we limit it to three weekends the cost will be the same with a lot less racing. This also potentially puts people out of the running if they can’t make a weekend.Seems most of the single day events have a good number of racers there the day before to get ready anyway, making a weekend out of it. The cost will be the same? Not sure what your towing your gear with Dave. But it cost me quite a bit to haul over the hill in fuel alone. Once over is certainly cheaper than twice over.
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by apsdsmracer on Thu 12 13, 2007 6:00 pm
I’d never drive all the way to Grand Junction unless it was part of this state series.Some of the nicest people and best tracks anywhere! We like to support them! We would go over even if the Csc went defunct.
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by apsdsmracer on Thu 12 13, 2007 6:00 pmI was stretched to run 12 club races last year and a six race format with an odd club race thrown in sounds perfect to me. I plan to run 6-10 races spread out over the summer. The CSC still has it’s “special draw” because I’ll race in it no matter what format is chosen. I’d just prefer to have my racing spread out so I don’t pour everything into three weekends a year. Let’s keep the fun spread out!!
It would still be a 6 race series, that would probably cost you less money and why can’t you stretch your racing out over the summer?
Against a drop too? Be careful. Vewy vewy careful!
Rick
Title sponsor ideas….
1. Remax, Dave Linager(sp?) is a real gear head. I’ve never met him maybe someone knows him…..Help anyone!!
I don’t know how much were talking but $5000.00 would go along way as seed money.
Mikey
If we were to adopt a 2 race weekend format for the CSC, the club races would/could be better supported. I know we would use them as test and tune, God knows were going to need it.
I need another RED BULL :bang
Mikey“Quote”
I think the track owners should listen to the customers. Not to revamp the whole damn thing
, just to make customers happy and to keep them coming back. Stop this “average karter stays in the sport for 2 years”, or whatever it is. Seems to me some of the series that are having success (Gatorz, Prokart) are listening to their customers, at least to a degree, and not having the track owners decide the future behind closed doors.
I don’t think it should kiss everyones a$$ or try to cater to every whim. But if there are racers who have constructive input and aren’t heard, they may loose interest and choose another series or just give up altogether. Shame for the benevolent dictator then. this is not F1. It’s easy to say you want one. It’s also easy to gripe later about it. It’s even easier to offer no constructive input on what was once a series heading towards being one of the best in the country. It still could be.
Sorry about all the spelling errors. My spell check is off again. Where’s Roman?
Rick
Rick SchmidtRick,
We totally agree… The racers are our customers and if we don’t listen we will eventually die and fade away.. Racers you need to be at the meeting and we all do what is best for the series and future of Karting in Colorado whatever that might be. If your not then don’t complain when it is not what you want..
I think the 2 race weekend has some possibilities and we would really consider it …however the talk is only racing at GJMS, TTAC and IMI however we all keep ignoring JB and how Bandimere fits in… I know there is talk of not including him but I think everyone should remember that JB was one of the people that got the CSC going and we should get his input and opinion before we make any decsisons about racing or not racing there.. That would give us 4 weekends, 8 races with 1 drop….
Also a Title sponsor is desperatly needed for the CSC, if we are going to ever be a legitimate series we have to have one…
Classes: Same as 2007 however DD2 Light and Heavy should be in somewhere.. also Kid Kart and JR1 we really like and think the Comers should be an option in 2008… Brad has spent his money and lots of time and it is greatly appreciated but it seems like the vast majority are still running the comers…
Let the bashing begin..
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