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Wow, no replies? Well, maybe a few videos of karts racing on the track that these 4 Cycle Sprint Grand Nationals will be held. Great looking track seems to be perfect for a national event.
@Dave Innes wrote:
Craig,
When you say fuel and tires will be purchased at the track, do you mean must be purchased at the track? If so, is it part of the race entry fee?
Regards,
Dave
Does this include LO206 gas too? As I remember you could get gas at Centennial. Or should we come prepared with fuel on hand.
@Greg Welch wrote:
I typically ran a ~3.66 at Centennial and 3.50-3.55 at IMI. Roll that corner speed!!
I figure for SBR you should go down a front tooth from whatever you ran at Centennial and it should be close.
Thanks Greg! Wow, a 3.66 at Centennial. Hmm, that is a good thought. I need to do more of that testing see which is better. Let’s hope the rumors are true about Centennial.
@Richard Gordon wrote:
For GJMS, around 3.6-3.7 depending on direction and your weight class.
Thanks Richard!! I will add this to the list.
Anyone else have any data from the other tracks? Would love to get this all documented for everyone. 🙂 I have been having problems getting out to the tracks so any help from the community would be greatly appreciated!
There is a couple night races that happen on Saturday night. But the majority will be on Sunday. Though they are usually done in time to hit a night service. I personally am not a religious man but used to be. I remember my old church had softball games on Sunday’s after their services and then had night services. God I don’t think cares when you worship as long as you do. 😉 Come out and have some fun on Sunday and then attend a night service. It’s all the same to an omnipresent God in my humble opinion. 😉 Would love to see another racer out there! Hope you can obtain your worship needs while also having some fun. Best of luck to you!
This is some great news!!!! Yes! Please who ever this “someone local” is please speak up!! Would love to get something going at that track if we could!!
lol on the graphics. The start of the season mine looked good. lol Looks like crap now but I didn’t keep up on it like I will this new kart. (If it will ever get here… Delayed at the painters. Getting custom black instead of red.)
In regards to the two class structure. I haven’t decided which one I am going to race in. Depends on the amount in the class. I just want to race with the fast guys. 😉 I agree 3 classes is just a little too much. 2 just seems like a great mix between allowing those that are a little heavy and can’t change it and those that can drop the weight and not have to add much weight.
Can’t wait to race you all! I remember some great battle and hope to have a lot more this year!
@Cole Liggett wrote:
I think it’s easier to have a single weight class in cars since the driver weighs a fraction of what the car weighs. I weigh 10 pounds more than my kart… Throws off the power to weight ratio a lot quicker when a kart racer gains 5-10 pounds.
Every national event that I see has a jr and at least a sr and maybe a master(rotax). The Jr is 16 and young. Sr is 16+ or something like that. But the Sr is one weight class. The Master’s is heavier and also has an age limit.
Even the LO206 events I have seen around the country as well as Canada run a jr and sr and maybe a heavy but that is rare. This is all based off the Briggs WRS series. http://briggswrs.com/ Which The Track was one of the only tracks that had 3 classes. Seemed like everyone else was just doing 2 or 1.
The key is finding a good weight class. Which seems to have been found too. 360 seems to be the most common based on my research. I wouldn’t be trying to get us to do this if I didn’t have a lot of data to back up what I am saying. A lot of them run 1 weight class for adults and a jr. Here I am trying to get us to run 2 instead of 3 as the Jr already have a class iirc.
@Cole Liggett wrote:
I hear Helmut Marko only looks to the light classes when he picks the next drivers for the redbull jr team. So that narrows it down for me.
Red Bull is overrated… lol (I used to be a fan until my favorite moved to Ferrari. Though Max sure is a great driver!)
How can Helmut look at the light classes when there are no “weight” classes to look at? lol All the racing I see the classes are split up by car. There is a weight limit that you have to reach if you don’t you get disqualified for each car. But the same cars race in the same “class”.
Just trying to get kart racing like what they do for the big boys. I mean we are in kart racing because its too expensive to go car racing. So why not make it like they do for car racing.
Currently the votes look like 8 drivers per class with 27 total votes counted. This means we could have 27 people battle all in one weight class and have great turnouts or 8 people where in maybe 4 of those battle each other. The top 3 from each class are usually fast enough if you even them out in one weight class they race against each other.
@Cole Liggett wrote:
I will only race if I’m guaranteed a participation award. Final offer.
LOL :wave :~
:bang
wow, we only have 20 people vote so far. 47 voted for the weight classes. Seems everyone is quiet and doesn’t want to share what they are racing in hopes to pick a class they can win? Pick the class your nemesis is not in? I see the tactic. But have you ever thought that nemesis will just follow you to the class you race in in order to better themselves?
@Suicidecustoms wrote:
Since all three classes are in the same race, well, it really shouldn’t matter how many classes there are, the fun is in the race? No? Plus better odds of being on the podium. Anyway, if someone can get away without any weights, I would think that would perform better and more efficiently, so I don’t think it is laziness at all, but having a better ride. Seems like way more benefits to more classes – as long as all classes race together.
(This is Gia, not Norbert, but I learned everything from him, at least the gokart parts 🙂 )
Getting a podium spot because there are more options (9) total. Which means 9 people out of 15 could get a podium. That doesn’t sound like true racing. Formula 1, nascar, any other racing has 3 podium spots. Sounds like we are going back to kids t-ball where everyone got a participation record. lol
I mean don’t get me wrong each are here to have fun. But I am also here to win races and prove to myself that I can race just as fast as the top people in the nation. Rotax is too expensive so LO 206 is where it’s at. We have people that have been in national events and ranked well, so if I can race with them I know I am on “par” with them. Having more than 1 class separates these “fast” guys and allows everyone to “win” but really they don’t win. They just are faster in their class.
The true racers are ones that can overcome their limit. In order to overcome it racing people faster forces you to push that limit. My signature says a lot about how I want to race. And look who it is. He didn’t race in a 3 class event. He raced in 1 class events and WON them all. lol Isn’t that what we are trying to do here?
In regards to how slow these things are. If you don’t like how sluggish or what not they are at the 360 weight or higher or just can’t get the spunk out of it that you would like. I recommend Rotax 😉 I mean this engine/package is meant to be cheap slow, sluggish, and all about momentum. It is a drivers kart. You can be good at it but in order to be fast you have to be consistent and relaxed. Now, now, I am not saying Rotax isn’t those things or that it is any less difficult. It has it’s own challenges. What I am saying is I think we are trying to make this kart do things that it is not meant to do.
If you all have checked out my links to youtube that show events where you can see some great races their fields are HUGH and all one weight class. Bumper to bumper racing the entire race. 3 classes I am lapping the heavies after like 15 laps. Never see lap traffic in those big races with 1 weight class. And here I am trying to just get 2. lol
Hey I was thinking about the TBA race Sept 17-18. I was looking at Action Karting’s Calendar and they are free that weekend! Has anyone given them a call? The other series has two races with them. Even a night race. We could do that too! Like a night race to end the season. That could be a lot of fun!
@Leo Ahearn wrote:
I went to amsoil.com and searched for local independent dealers – 20 of them came up within 20 miles of my zip code.
I was aware of that I was looking to see if anyone local to the karting community would be selling. Just to support them as we already lost one track due to community support. Don’t want to see that happen again! 🙂 But totally thank you for letting me know
@jdavis-403 wrote:
@Eddy Wyatt wrote:
All
Like most of you who watched this unfold, there was a trend that was consistent for most of the week that drastically changed over the last couple of days. This is why the series organizers do not base their rules on poles. The truth is, they are not credible because it’s not conducted by an impartial/independent source. That’s all I’m saying on this topic and I certainly hope we can move on now.
Respectfully,
Eddy
:coDamn, I knew this was going to happen. Ok, if this vote wasn’t good how about you setup a vote? I mean really how can a vote not count? We VOTE and said that two classes are what we the mass want and you say the vote doesn’t count because people waited until almost the close of the vote to cast their vote. 47 people voted. If you want to see the details of how people voted I can show that information if you think it was conducted impartial or what ever. I mean really do you think I would cheat? I don’t cheat when I race why would I here???????????????????
Not really respectfully respecting the views of the whole! This is really upsetting!
I even used a third party application to run the polling. Isn’t that impartial/independent source? It just sounds to me that people want 3 classes to be lazy and not put the weight on. Or decide to pick a different class where the competition isn’t as hard so that you win.
The moment you stop listening to your community that is when you start to loose the community. We already lost a lot of people due to MG Reds being run in LO. Not having people to race with in your weight class could be another issue we will have. Think about it, we already lost people due to tires. This reduced the field even more. At the track we had an average of 15 people. 2 of the lights that used to run are no longer in Colorado and I assume the other lights that showed up only a couple will return. That drops the count down to 11 people. Of those 11 people on average 6 mediums and 5 heavy. We have already seen Cole isn’t going to race so that drops 1 out of the medium. Leaving a total of 5 per class. Granted we may have a couple lights so 5 per class and 2 lights. So here you are racing against 5 people (as 4 is the cutoff based on what I heard to run the class). When if we picked two weight classes we could all decide to run in the heavy to have a 10 class pack.
Racing against 10 people sounds a lot more fun than 5. Keep in mind 47 people voted. Which means we at least have 47 drivers that are interested in racing to have an opinion. If those 47 people actually show up with a two weight class structure that would be 23 people per class. Sounds like a great race if you ask me!!! Sounds a lot like all the racing that can be seen here. https://www.youtube.com/user/BrandonHawkinRacing
