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Hay Jay, What does a TAG turn for times there? I was thinking about you guys the whole time I was supposed to be working yesterday.
Happy New Year!OK, I do see your points too. Please understand I was not talking about making any rules up for JR classes. Anybody with kids racen has a much bigger bone to fetch than I do. One rule I would like to see enforced a little more is the age breaks for kids racing in adult classes.
One quite normal thing I see many racers complain about is not having some written rules. Even when there are national written rules available, just by joining the national orginization that writes them they will still complain that nobody has given them the rules. I am cheap too, but you wont here me complaining about not getting something for nothing.
There is plenty of potential karters in Colorado for booth “system orginized” racing and anti system non-orginized outlaw racers.
For either one to judge the other as to which is more fun or better to do is not right or possible.
I have been in karting long enough to know that hanging your hat on any one national orginization can be fun, yet even there rules can have “that doesn’t make any sence” theam to them as well.
How many Briggs blocks have you blown up while tring to follow some national rule of using a stock rod? That rule was nuts, yet I followed it with my wallet for years.
As far as kids aspiring to race cars. Shure it’s nice to see a couple of locals getting that chance. I raced in Marshalltown Iowa for a number of years. The Johnsons were owners and operaters of the track back then. I see the Johnson Boys are now envloved in that same car thing that was mentioned on an earlier post and home page. Are the Johnsons still envolved with there local kart track anymore? I don’t think so.
A lot of karters think there go-kart is going to take them somewhere. As an old fart racing karts, I know that I must take my go-kart somewhere to race it, and it ant going to take me anywhere. To make karting a better steping stone for father son teams to use to get to where they want to go, isn’t on the top of my list, because I choose to race karts not cars. How is the loss of father son teams to car racing a benifit to karting?” The outlaw and rules applying to some and not others is going to be the death of this sport in Colorado if it continues!!!! “
Being outlaws and having our own rules doesn’t mean we would have unfair racing. We have always bent the national rules to fit our own preferences. Just one example,Where alse in the US does the jrI get to run with out restictors when all the national rules call for them?Which would be more deadly to the sport of karting here in Colorado?
A TAG package imported from California that is allowed to race with less weight than a superior TAG package sold here in Colroado.
OR
A superior TAG package sold here in Colorado that gets a weight break in our state races from the national “systems rules” ?If you don’t think it is superior than why does it need that extra weight that “The System” says it does?
I would like to see one of our own track owners making some money and supporting the local racer. Rather than an out of state company making the money while supporting there local racers.
I would feel the same way if it were some new highzuit 4 stroke shifter motor that Stacy Cook was trying to develope. Shure Biland made a mistake and nationaly Biland seems to be getting penelized pretty hard for it. I do still wonder how many other brands of motors were running nonapproved parts. What happened isn’t the first time it’s happened and wont be the last. Yet I seem to remember that when a person used illegal parts in a race the racer was Dq’ed. I have never seen a manufacturer receiving a penelty that effects all there existing customers and fewture sales. But things change.
The TAG USA “System” has worked well at getting a bunch of new power plants in the hands of racers, and getting all them racers on the track at one time. To me however the same system also is just right for the manufacturers to keep playing the game of, the motor of the year search and which motor for which track. Not much different than 2 cycle super stock in the late eighty’s. :cheers:Yep, I have no bone to fetch. ” The System” must be working as TAG seems to be growing.
I always have sort of liked the “Outlaw” “non-systematic” theam Colorados Tracks have been known to have in the past and just thought maybe this would be a good way to keep up that tradition.We all talk about supporting our local tracks. Well lets see, Brad is the owner of possibly the most popular kart track in Colorado. He also holds 1/4 th of the CSC races. He is trying to become a successful importer/distributer of a newly developing kart specific motor. How many other states let alone tracks have one man with this much interest in makeing kart racing more popular?
I don’t know of all the facts of how TAG USA tuned Brads 2005 Bilands to a “competitive level” with a bunch of lead. But I do know that if it was a penelty driven procedure and the motor has a hard time being competitive at the new weights, the penelty is a slap in the face of Colorado Karting.The way it is now is just right for any other state that has an importer/distributer in there back yard. It’s going to take a lot of wins and run time to make up for the differance in convinceing a new karter to get one here that takes two pit gorrilas to lift, initally more expensive, and isn’t welcome to race in some events.
I’m not a TAG racer, so I have nothing invested in what happens with the Biland in TAG racing. I would like to see Colorado slap back if the penelty of lead wasn’t just. Sence Brad does have some pull in writing the CSC rules we use I think it could make Colorado a pretty Biland freindly State if he would just impose the Colorado Biland State Weight Rebate Bill. :cheers:I sometimes do enjoy eating my desert first, but one should always save the best for last. If we had fans they would go home after the Pro race.
The only local racing I seen Ace at last year, was when him and one of the Welch boys blew up my golf kart. In years past I have always let him tear up my kart, with the understanding that when he gets big enough that I could fit in the seat of his equipment, that I could do the same. Paybacks rule….. Ace when do I get to take it for a spin?
Good Luck Ace, I’ll be cheering you on.
Streets2track, When Ace raced in the 80shifter class around here you could all ways spot him… way out in front of every body else.
Kurt, WKA this year came out with a mod animal class, that is very much like the mod aniaml class we developed last year. It will stay on meth.
I do agree the WF should be at least looked at. Yet the one adult 4 stroke class will not be slowed to a stock WF’s times.
For those that wish to get rid of all the four stokes.
The one adult 4 stroke class had more entries than 4 of the 5, 125 classes.
The adult 4 stroke class is allready a mixed bag of nuts and should be kept that way as there is only one class for them nuts to play in.
If anything we should allow more by allowing any F200, plus most the Wfer’s that ran last year are scrapping it’s stock configuration and going to meth.I would like to run my shifter next year mainly because I would like to race in a larger class. Just looking at last years participation it looks like I would have to race in the pro class to do that. Me having very little knowledge of the shifter classes ” an average Joe Schmoe” I see Rob post these five classes of 125’s and don’t understand why so many?
Nov shift / 125 nov/ S-2 /Sr Hv 125 / 125Pro
Oh well, guess I’ll just enter pro and get schooled. Can I run my moto 125 in pro on Meth instead of that high dollar gas? 😛“Fact: A Cc of the head was not done on this Motor and therefore is not out of compliance with the Rules.”
If this was one of the complete tare downs then it is even sadder that we are having them torn down with out being teched.I don’t know of our tech policies we have in place now. I would just hate to have to have tare downs all the time, plus I don’t want to pay for a tech to do it all the time. That would be as bad as paying to pit in the pits.
What’s wrong with Brads offer?
Curt it didn’t work.
You know there are many different ways of flipping a kart.
The ones I hate the most are the endover style. They seem to get more air and land harder. There are good flips and bad flips. A good one you walk or even drive away, a bad flip like Chaz had you are taken away on the meat wagon.
Scott and Edupin, all it takes is your tire to touch my tire to set a flip in motion. I sort of hate to admit it, but flipping karts was part of my learning experiance while racing in classes of 40 plus racers on the streets of the midwest. The only thing worse than flipping is hitting solid things beside the race track, like telephone poles, cars and street signs.
My record is flipping in two different races on the same race day. The first flip of the day was a good endo flip with a right side up landing. The secound one hurt me.
I shure wish I had some pictures of all of them.Well then the next best thing to do would be to take up Brads offer of sealed comer motors. Bickering about the rules may get you just what you really don’t want. A late podium every week with boxes full of motor parts. I build my own motors, so that wouldn’t boother me, but I shure don’t think that would be the best way to get more parents involved that want to race there kids.
Rodney U. Please understand it’s not a matter of having enough guts to stick up for anyone that feels they have been treated unfairly. It’s more of a matter of not knowing all the facts about the water that has passed under the bridge. In the past I too feel that I have been riped off or screwed out of some Championships. Yet the only productive thing that can be done about it is to look towards the fewture.
With the first two years done of racing in the CSC and not one motor has had a complete tech done, it is very sad to think that we need to start with complete tare downs of the comer class.That’s a neat deal. You could run the seven race series for 140 bucks in your engine program.
Man, what’s the age limit?
Maybe an adult dual como class for $40.00 a day.As usual I am so confused. 😕 :idn: 😀
Be it good, bad, or somewhere in between, even just to choose one class is too many for this Kart Junky. Then it is very hard to choose just one.To any Jr. Racers that may be reading this. My Golf Kart has risen from the dead. There will be no Free Rides. Thrashing time can be arranged with, parenteral waver plus free stuff from your parents trailers. 😛
