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When a race is called a rain race, the competitor most of the time has a choice in using slicks or rain tires depending on their own forecast of their race. In areas that have lots of rain I could see a ruling for a spec rain tire just like a spec racing slick. But here I agree, no need to muddy the water when it hardly ever happens anyway.
I also don’t see the need to say that grooved slicks aren’t allowed, as the racer can all ready choose to run a regular slick tire in a rain race if they feel that the track will be drying during their race.
If we are allowing any rain tire as the norm for the rules, and assuming I am right with a racer can choose to run slicks or treads, give me one reason a groved slick would be bad to allow?How good do the Mycrons and Digitrons hold up in the rain?
In our area, rain is just a passing thing. We never get them all day long rains like in other areas of the country.
By time all the racers got ready with their rain tires the rain would be gone.
I remember one race last year at IMI being called off because of rain. Within an hour of the call, most everyone was loaded up and gone. I then went out and enjoyed the rest of the sunny day.Snow tires, Brad wont let me on his dirt track with my snow tires.
That and the Colorado state weight rebate program for the 2005 Biland should be in affect by race day too. 😛
Tom, All tillies metering holes are drilled threw the carbs body. Even the low and high side needle holes are drilled into the carbs body. The low side needle controlls the amount of fuel that enters under the low side soft plug, which is a plug that covers three different holes. The size and position of these three holes controll the amount of fuel that is available and mixed with changes in the air velocity seen flowing through the venturi. These holes can be seen looking down the carbs bore. Even removing the soft plug by an inexperianced person can result in a ruined carb with a wrong size hole in the wrong place of the carbs venturi.
Jet changeing of a tilly includes drilling of the carbs body in 7 possible areas for improvement or losses in controlling the fuel to air ratios through out a motors air velocity speeds. This is why with out any jet kits a tilly can be changed from the fuel requirements of gas to meth. That along with fine tuning of the high and low needle screws, makes the tilly quite appealing to on and off the track tuning. If all these holes were adjustable with out “machining” the carbs body, the tilly would cost more than a rotax slide carb, all it’s jetting kits, software and hardware.
If the loose term “jetting” is open in the rules, what would stop someone from elimating the fuel that has to go threw the venturi, replacing it with more air and introducing the fuel at the intake port? That would give me 7% more available air to flow through my resricted venturi size. I have a Tilly and intake that does this but it is set up for meth and drilling the drill pattern back to smaller sizes in the carbs body is quite tuff to do.If jetting is open the OEM tilly carbs owners should be able to drill the drill patterns of there carbs. Inspection of drill patterns would be difficult and not possible by veiwing down the throat. I haven’t seen the OEM drill pattern listed anywhere to even see if it could be compaired to other OEM carbs. In fact you would have to machine the carbs soft plug with at least a drill in order to inspect the drill parterns sizes.
If the cap of a slide crab is non-tech, what would stop someone like me from pulling a little more air threw the top? I can see the 2″ throttle sleeves with filters on them becoming quite popular.Karterdad, I agree we don’t need the novice or pro name to identifie a class when there is no differances in the equipment needed to compete in it. I am a Briggs racer with a shifter kart that needs to be driven. It has a moto motor that I am shure wouldn’t comply as a stock CR125 so S3 is out of the picture. Then to choose any other shifter class I am having to compete against ICC’s. That chioce doesn’t sound good either. That leaves me with three avenues to go down. Leave it parked, buy a stock moto, or buy an ICC. I have been a die hard karter for years, and will decide on a class to race in, yet we shure do make it hard for anyone to decide to run in this sport. As a new shifter pilot I only see three classes pro/ pro heavy and stock. Yet no class for a mod moto, which I thought made shifter racing what it is to date.
OK, lets say there is a 125 dollar member fee to race CSC. How do we get people from other areas that raced just one of our races to race for one day? Do they pay 125 plus the 75 entry fee for a day of racing the CSC?
How do we grow our member numbers after the start of the season?
I Have been trying to decide which class I should play in. As an old die hard briggs guy I hate to give it up to play in one of the five different shifter classes. I don’t understand the need of S1/S2/S3/G1/Pro.
If that is really needed for the 125 racers maybe the Briggs WKA racers should have there own series of races. Then a TAG or shifter racer could run the CSC plus a WKA series, or a Briggs racer could also run booth. This would be good for me as I am wanting to run my shifter, yet I still love my fellow Briggs racers and hate to leave that behind to choose a different class with just one or two others in it.
It could also add the parents of racers that wish to run a TAG or 80 shifter and also run WKA Jr classses. Maybe not this year but next year a feeder seriers to the CSC could help? Or is Club racing going to be the benifactor of more orginization of the CSC?
After the first race of the CSC series all classes with less than 4 karts should be eliminated, as there will not be any more than that for the rest of the season.I guess I don’t get the gripe of a long race day. I live for my race day to come. If it gets over with at 2:00 in the afternoon, I am disappionted and want to race some more. Maybe the guys that think it is too long of a day might consider racing in two classes if your that board and your race day is too long.
For them short race days, I propose we have a new class at the end of the day. Draw to fill the tracks rental karts. Each driver must consume a six pack of beer before going on the track. The race ends when the last one comes off the track and is teched for wet pants before entering the port-a-potty. Ya thats the ticket.Call them what you will. I just know that if I am at any of the Tracks in Colorado, I am at there home and must play within there rules. Call it dictatorship if you want, but I call them the guy with the key to the gate.
CSC is the best thing Colorado Karters have going.
It would take a strong arm of a large group of racers to be able to tell the tracks what we want to do. I don’t see us racers being that unify’ed togather to even know as a group which direction we all are taking, let alone the track owners tring to satisfy all these groups.
Just maybe last year and the year before the CSC messed up a little and handed the power of the racers over to the track owners. At least this year will be a start in putting the power of all the racers in the hands of racers represenitives instead of the tracks reps. Remember it takes some warm up laps before we can get up to speed. Maybe Jay would want to be the new head of the CSRA? The Colorado Sprint Racers Ass. 🙂 Sorry Jay but it does sound good.I like Rod’s idea too.
I have a question, yet I am about scared to ask.Kid kart- age?
60/80 novice-age?
80shifter-age?
Jr1-age?
Jr.TAG-age?What is the differance between 60/80 and the 80 shifter class?
Are 60’s ran by anyone? Could a good 60 beat a good 80? and if not why would there be a class for them? I am just thinking an 80 novice is the same thing as an 80 shifter. IF the big boys in 125’s can all run togather, then I would think it would be just as good for all the 80’s to be togather. Yet I don’t know if there is a age/ weight/ or motor differance between these two classes?But I do have an imagination. I can see the Colorado region of SKUSA writting the rules for a new Limited/Open OHV-F250 TAG class.
You know it is pretty hard to have rule infringment problems with open classes or new developing classes. What is that other term some use for them kind of classes? o ya, Outlaw classes.
As an adult racer of briggs stuff, I don’t have much of a plan to go to any out of state events or nationals. If I did I would just have to choose which sanctioning races I wanted to do and join there org. and make my equipment comply to there rules. I think CSC’s choice in racing orgs. and rules has more of an effect on what a Jr kart racer is going to race.
OK Tuner. I am Mellow Yellow nowwwwwww….
But I thought it was SKUSA that had way too many classes? 😛Tunner, do you pay for your own entry fees and dues?
I am sure it wouldn’t bother most all shifter pilots to have to join Shifter Kart USA. Now ask them to join WKA or IKF and not even have a kart that qualifies for use in either. That is what you are asking of all us Briggs karters to do. Plus you are saying we are weak at beast for not doing so.
You also say that a different santioning body other than SKUSA would be splintering or fragmenting available karters.
Me being a die hard briggs racer for years could have the same view against SKUSA as you do agianst the other bodies.
Maybe your definition of an available karters is one that can afford to race a shifter, a national, and pay you to tune it.
Well I define available karters as local people that think they might like to be involved. For the most part with type of customer the first step isn’t buying and racing a shifter or even a TAG.
I am shure there are many TAG and shifter people that think there class is the fewture of karting, and see no need for my type of classes. I am here to tell you that you are leaving the majority of fewture karters behind with your narrow minded thoughts.When it comes down to it there is also allready a WKA region here too.
As a Racer that payed and raced the CSC races for the two years that it has existed, it is nice to know that we do have some kind of insurance covering these events. The year before CSC was born I attended 40 plus races at our local tracks. Every race had some sort of tech. They also had track workers, race directors, much of everthing a track needs to put on a race.
Why is it that all the sudden the tracks aren’t willing to do the job of putting on a race? Craig Mansfield and I were the first to try and join the colorado racers togather as we raced them 40 plus races in 2002. Each track with its 15 race series is what fragmented the karters. The tracks are going to run there races. We as racers only need to orginize togather as to when and where we are going to go to race. We don’t need no reps telling the racer what they can do for us. It is the reps job of selling his service to each track. Then the racer can deside which track is more appealing to go to. Really CSC shouldn’t be involved in writting or enforcing the rules. It’s main purpose should be orginizing the dates and places so we all can be at the same track on the same day, in order to race that tracks rules a policies. If a track can’t provide the things we as racers need to race there, we shouldn’t be there.Would any of you want to try a 5″ axle? Why don’t we just go to the extreme? I can see us mounting tires directly on our 5″ aluminum axle. The axle might cost a few bucks but you wouldn’t need any wheels or hubs.
The Rusty, hits the nail on the head.
Grate points.Does CSC need SKUSA?
Does CSC need IKF
Does CSC need WKAI think that for skusa’s mountain region to work it does need the participants of the CSC races. Yet CSC was proven that we can have fun races with out SKUSA’s help. SKUSA had a mountain region director and raced there own schedual around here once before. Lets see… wasn’t that when it fragmented/failed and the SCS started?
It shure seems like we are on a roller coaster and we keep getting back off at the same place. I am enjoying the rides though.
My hats off to Jim for taking on his next endeavors. With out me contributing much of anything I have allready benifited from his interests in karting. I could say the same about Brad/JB/Stacy/and even George. The constant amoug these names is they have a track. The one thing that CSC would die with out. If CSC gets to exspensive to run some will opt to just club racing, or even ice racing.Who’s all racing at the Budwiser event center next week?
$50.00 entry fee with 100% payback. Now thats a good deal for the racer.
I hope to get there, if my pond testing goes well.
