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Stacy,
The questions that Duff brought up are critical in determing where I and others will race this season.
do you have any answers yet:
***racing stock (R-max karts) and upgraded carbs (Tag karts) in tag CSC???
***racing R-Max karts for pts in the same race as Tag (non-R-Max karts) karts in CSC????
Please refer to Duff’s questions on the other thread.
Rich,
Just so people do not get the wrong idea,
The “upgraded parts” for the Rotax carb only refer to the open jetting in the rules. No actual upgrade only jet changes from Rotax Max Challenge rules.
Tom
Rich, there is a new needle a K98 that is approved for 2005, is that what you are talking about or are you talking about the “other” carb that people have been running?
I’m sure Rich is talking about the other carb jetting changes we have been making which are legal in TaG USA but not in RMax. At IMI I don’t think the difference is that noticable, but at AK and to some extent at GJMS, it could be significant.
Stacey,
Doug is correct and you might want to re-read Duff’s comments on the same thing.
1. R-max challenge cannot run with the CSC Tags-they have to be on the track by themselves. So how can you run R-max with Tags at CSC?
2. Rotax Tags can change there dispersion tubes and main jets when running plain Tag series but cannot when running R-max. So if you put the Tags and R-max karts together you really hurt the R-max kart.
So on CSC days you would have to have:
a R-Max Challenge Race separate for R-max points
and a
Tag CSC race for CSC Tag pointsThis is nice for the R-max guys as they could run two series on a CSC day but I will tell you it is hectic as I tried it once. You would have to put R-max and CSC TAG as distant as possible in the race line-up.
So now my question how and if you can do that at GJMS.
Somebody else brought up the idea if Runninig aR-max Challenge series as part of the CSC series–what is that possibility?
As for me I need some answers because i have to figure out my race schedule soon-club-CSC-R-max Challenge
:idn:Stacey, Rich, etc.
One comment and that’s all.
Anything that you do that deviates from the strict RMC rules governing racing, equipment, tires, tech, etc…..make sure you have documented and approved in writing before the season starts. And that approval should be from Marshall Martin, Scott Evans and SSC.
The rules have changed since last year, and they are more strict than has been in the past. Local options are limited now. And since RMC will be DECREASING the numbers allowed for nationals, the scrutiny will be heavier.
Duff
How about this for an idea?
What about RMC on the Saturday before the Sunday CSC dates? Do not have qualifying and run two heat races instead. The first race line up would be done by drawing numbers and the second heat would be inverted from the first and then total your position and base the final off of those totals. The one with the least total would be the pole and so on.
I believe there would be 4 classes: mini max, jr, int, master. Run mini and jr seperate and int and mstr together that way there would only be six heat races. The heat races should take no longer than two hours. There could be individual finals for each of the four classes if need be. The finals should take no longer than an hour and a half.
If my hypothesis is correct, we could start the first heat race at 8:00 am sharp and be done by no later than 11:30am. This would leave plenty of time to test and tune for the CSC race the following day. :cheers:
just a thought,
Tom
We would be in favor of seperate RMC races, not combined with CSC TaG as qualifers for the Rotax grands. I would rather see the Rotax kept as intended. I understand how the points would be kept, the first RMC guy across the line would get 1st place points for RMC.
But my concern would be that an RMC guy could get inadvertently caught up in an incident with no RMC TaGs that could have a detrimental impact on the racers season points standing. And as Dennis points out, fewer racers will qualify this year than last year due to the new points structure.
I can also understand the reluctance of not wanting to run a seperate RMC race on saturday. The CSC has got to limit the amount of practice on Sunday if it wants to give us more laps in the finals (which it should, 10, 12 lap finals are a joke) and get us out of there at a reasonable time. 7:00PM is not reasonable! Saturday becomes not only an important practice day, but an important source of income for the track owners.
I’m not sure there is a good solution here. Tom’s idea maybe the best comprimise.
I’m interested in running some RMax races this year, so I’m interested in this discussion.
Also, since Rich brought it up, I would like to see a better definition of what “jetting” means for the TaG rules. Various people have told me that changing the slide, pilot jets, main jets, dispersion tube, and needle are all legal. I guess jetting could be intrepreted as any of those things. However, some vendors tried to sell me carb parts (that I refused to buy) last year that I would definitely consider illegal since they involved modified carb body and top parts. What exactly is legal?
Hey guys I have another call into the higher powers and want them to get on the here and answer these questions so that we have them clear..
The reasoning for running the RMAX events in conjunction with our 2 CSC events is:
1. encourage more people to sign up and run the RMAX series
2. make it more affordable ( points in both CSC and RMAX one set of travel expenses..)We are commited to the RMAX series and see this as a way to develop the Concept into it’s own stand alone series in the future….
Charles
I talked specifically with Marty Casey at Tag USA about what I could change and what I could not in a Rotax. The first part on your list is a yes, all jets, main, and pilot, needle, slide and dispersion tubes. Any modifications to the body or the top is a quick route to a dq.
Doug,
What is meant by modifications to the top? I understand the body modification portion.
Thanks,
Tom
So, if I could get these things approved thru RMAX would you guys want to run in conjunction with the CSC event or am I wasting time trying to get that approved?
As we will not be running the Rotax grands and therefore will not be running any RMC series for points, the decision does not affect us one way or the other. I’m just trying to point out the possible areas of problems where the rules are different.
The other obvious areas that will need to be discussed are tires and fuel. RMC will require Mojo’s and VP MS93 with RS7 mixed 50:1 and the CSC will be ???? I hope the CSC doesn’t require the Rotax to run too high an octane of fuel. It makes the jetting a pain in the butt.
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