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My vote:
– Take “Novice” 125 and make it Stock 125. Then run the current S2 as mod moto and ICC with YHC’s. Leave Pro and Sr/Hvy alone.
– Slow down Jr1 Animals with restrictors per WKA. Take the pipes off of the Comer 80s too, run SKUSA rules. I’d even go for harder tires here.
– Restricted TaG Jrs.
– Limited Mod Animals on gas (not methanol) and World Formula for Sr. 4. We shouldn’t overlook WFs, it’s a super attractive package for newbies.
– LM Animals on gas and WFs for Jr2 also; give them a 4 stroke option. Or drop it. Or just let’m run with the Sr4s.
– Make the CSC a higher level event. Drivers should run X number of club races before running CSC, keeping a log sheet with an official’s signoff.
– Have a rookie competition in each class
Thanks for bringining this up, Stacey – Friday will be even more lively now!
Another thought on jr1. Run same three engine packages as last year bump the weight up to 240 for the comer and allow open carb, and the open clutch and pipe like last year. leave internals to WKA spec that way i can still run my motors at STARS.
Brian Moore
Father of Brandon #77 jr1 and novice shifter
P.S. If you or your kid is not involved in a class I do not think you should be allowed to input your suggestions for that class!!! Let the people with something to lose or gain make those decisions.
Kurt, WKA this year came out with a mod animal class, that is very much like the mod aniaml class we developed last year. It will stay on meth.
I do agree the WF should be at least looked at. Yet the one adult 4 stroke class will not be slowed to a stock WF’s times.
For those that wish to get rid of all the four stokes.
The one adult 4 stroke class had more entries than 4 of the 5, 125 classes.
The adult 4 stroke class is allready a mixed bag of nuts and should be kept that way as there is only one class for them nuts to play in.
If anything we should allow more by allowing any F200, plus most the Wfer’s that ran last year are scrapping it’s stock configuration and going to meth.I would like to run my shifter next year mainly because I would like to race in a larger class. Just looking at last years participation it looks like I would have to race in the pro class to do that. Me having very little knowledge of the shifter classes ” an average Joe Schmoe” I see Rob post these five classes of 125’s and don’t understand why so many?
Nov shift / 125 nov/ S-2 /Sr Hv 125 / 125Pro
Oh well, guess I’ll just enter pro and get schooled. Can I run my moto 125 in pro on Meth instead of that high dollar gas? 😛@Freezeman wrote:
The adult 4 stroke class is allready a mixed bag of nuts ……
You said it , I didn’t!!! 😀 😀
Brian, in case you were referring to me about my Jr1 comments, I do have a personal interest. We just bought Mark Ray’s older kart for my 9 year old to run next year. That’s why I made the comments – without having run kidkarts, this is a very fast moving train for a new kid to catch.
There are also 2 other karting dads where I work with Jr1 age kids who won’t start them out under the current rules because the class is too fast. I’d guess there are a few more people like that in the state.
One of these co-workers had an interesting suggestion: run Jr1 on a short circuit at IMI and GJMS to keep the speeds down.
Regarding gas vs. meth in Sr4, this looks like a newcomer vs. current racer issue. The current racers want everyone to get to the speed of the fastest engine, but to a newcomer changing the WF to meth lowers the reliability and adds up-front cost (even worse for a built Animal). If you have to spend $1.5k+ on a 4 cycle, you might as well get a TaG. Yes, WKA now has a Mod Animal/meth class, but the stock Animals are still more popular. Maybe we just allow the mixed nuts to run together, and just have a trophy for each category of engine (Mod Animals and flatheads in one group, and Blue Wazoom and WF in the other, maybe?).
My son and I looking forward to joining the Jr1 and 4cycle families next year, whatever the rules.
Here is what I am thinking out loud:
Comer 50 “STOCK” sprocket, airfilter only (cheat- banned for Life)
Jr-1
Sr 4 cycle
Cadet Tag- 13-14hp tops ages 8-12
Tag Jr.
Tag Snr
Tag Masters
Nov shifter
80Jr
125 Stock-Moto, ICC with extra 10-15 lbs
125 Semi-pro Moto and ICC 10lbs Mod Motors
Sr/Hv 125
125 ProLets here the pro’s and cons and other suggestions
Stacey,
As a newbie, I like your recommendations. I’m very glad to see the proposed range of Tag classes. Tag is very appealing to newbies. I plan to run three newbies next year (me and my two sons) in the following classes:
Tag Masters (me – where I’m sure I will be going to school, picking up the rear) :cheers:
Tag Jr. (my 12 year old son, Jesse who has much to learn but will learn much faster than me) 😳 Please don’t allow full Tag engines in this class. They have enough power to scare me, much less a 12 year old. :idn:
Cadet Tag (my 10 year old son, Dillon who doesn’t yet have a competitive bone in his body and only wants a safe place to play with other kids). 8) The cadet Tag class will allow him to have the same convenience of an electric start kart that his brother and dad will have while having an easy path up to the Tag Jr at the appropriate time.I also like the idea someone posted about having a “rookie” acknowledgement or award of some kind. It will give us something to shoot for given we don’t expect to see any podiums. 😀
Let’s race!
I agree with Dr. Tom 8) We in TaG Masters should be running 20 lap mains since we have the entry levels to warrant it.
I can’t speak about shifters since I know nothing about them. Darwin’s theory applies in karting, only the strong survive and the classes that don’t have 5 entries (read Jr 2’s) should be eliminated.
I (still) think for safety purposes if you are new to karting you should have an X over your number plate. Nothing bad but it allows people to expect the unexpected while racing.
Mike, at our last CSC event in July we started at 8:00 ran 2 full practice sessions per class, qualifiing, heat races, main events and we were totally done by 5:30. I think with really good time managment and a strict schedule it is possible to get more track time. It takes the race officials and participants working together to make it all work. That is something that CSC is working on to address these issues.. all comments and suggestions sure help…
Mike,
Don’t let the cat out of the bag with that Dr.Tom stuff.
You can just call me “Doc” :sun:Tom
PS –> 20 laps or more for the main gives all the masters guys a reason to get in better shape 😀 Also, the racing is fun to watch in the masters class.
Increasing the laps for Tag Masters is a good idea, but 20 laps is a big jump. Maybe 12 or 15.
As for Newbies with the X over there rear number plate—it has been brought up every year but it is never enforced. “yrs experience” should be on the entry form and if 0-1 yr experience is checked the X rule should be enforced.
It protects the fairly inexperienced driver and the experienced driver from injury and costly repairs.
Classes with a total of 5 or less karts need to be combined with other classes or just eliminated. We need to reduce the classes for race days.
We need to adhear to the schedule better-we never start on time. This is a track management responsibility and done poorly.
There are certain people who have the tags as a “aggressive driver”. The other drivers know who they are, but are seldom black flagged for it. I would like to see Bobby and the corner workers get more agressive themselves. I know it is a fine line we drive but the same drivers seem to be in accidents quite frequently.
I thought it was Mrs. Tom!!!!
My two cents:
Stacey,
Although the family and I do not have a lot of races under our belt, hands down the July 4th race was the most efficiently race ran that we have ever been involve in and kudos to you and your staff, but that did not include any tech or did it? Basically with the class structure purposed we had 13 classes and we would once again have 13. Maybe that works or maybe the class sizes are the same as last year. :idn:
Stacey, I am not sure if you implied this, but I would like to see a mini-TAG class with Minimax, puma, Easy Kart and World Formula all allowed. If the WF is .5 to 3/4 HP more than the Minimax that shouldn’t become a problem since the Minimax is 2.5 to 3HP more than an Animal and that combination was considered at one point.An honest question I think: Is there an influx of new drivers to fill these new classes or are we adding just a few new drivers and splintering existing classes??
Shouldn’t we have a poll of the classes Stacey put forth and see the trend that develops? If we only have 3 or 4 people in a class or whatever the magic number is, should that class be at best combined with another or should it not exist at all? Don’t we need a certain number of drivers to form a new class and in fact a certain level of commitment for those drivers too or is it just a simple matter of trying to give out more trophies??Just following the logic of an earlier post, if there is less than two seconds between two shifter classes, thus requiring a class between them, then don’t we need what?? 7 classes between Kidkarts and Jr 1s and 2 new classes between Jr 1 and Tag Jr. based on track times? 😯
Brian,
You and I both know that you can run the Animal or Comer all season without rebuilding them?? Oh, I see we are talking about being competitive? Seriously, what happens to this mini-max or any class if you get a kid that is a good driver and a dad with a few bucks who decides to rebuild the top end every two races?? So maybe the Easy Kart is now the best path? You have a very inexpensive priced kart, a sealed motor, it can compete on the national level, and best yet all engine and chassis components must remain ?stock.? Wow, sounds like a wonderful solution?.
🙂Not trying to pick on you, but at the beginning of this year with the three allowed motor options within the CSC Junior 1 class most of the participants were already running animals. Within the first few races in became obvious to the rest that the animal was the player and thus by mid-season all motors within this CSC class where animals, including yourself. (Heck for that matter remember the ?Novice Shifter? class with both the 60 and 80cc motors? (Everybody with a 60 ended up purchasing an 80 motor. A perfect example of parentsracers gravitating to the ?best? motor option within their class.) Now if we keep changing the rules for just one of these motor packages we are more than likely repeating an expensive cycle that just cost the rest, and in this case the majority, of racersparents even more money. What I mean by that is if the Comer is allowed these changes and it becomes the new king of the class either the animal folks will want another change to ?make it fair again? or they will have to purchase the Comer motor to be competitive. Really, this class was one of the most populated and had some of the best racing as is. I would personally like to slow them down, but the reality is how do we do that and keep the same motor packages? If you put in a restrictor in the animal how do you equally reduce the 80 and flathead unless you force everyone into one motor package??
[/b]Don, good point about tech, I believe we had tech in the Comer 50 and the Snr 4 cycle but that is something else we need to consider when coming up with a schedule on race day. As for the Cadet Tag, it would include the Mini Max, easykart, puma and what ever else that might fit in that category. I don’t know enough about the WF is it electric start? This is all good feedback and we need to conitnue to hear everyones opnion on these items…
WARNING positive plug for WF coming:
Basically, and there are others who know more, the WF is a slightly hopped up Animal thus is air cooled but has an electric start and comes with about everything (clutch, pipe, air filter unlike the Animal) but motor mount. Further info can be found at:
http://briggsracing.com/worldengine.html😆
Stacy,
You did a great job in July’s CSC race. I was impressed by the prestaging and your team just rocked! I’d like to see more of that next year at all the tracks. If everyone is coming off the track to scale then by golly the next class should be ready to fly, period. 5:30 completions are a hell of a lot better than a shortened lap schedule because we’re running out of daylight.
Rich, I still like 20 laps. This is sprint racing and not dragsters. If i want to have an elevated heart rate for 5 seconds I’ll race dragsters.
Tom, i’ll be your huckleberry…
another thing… Put the TAG class together. Not the kids but Sr and Masters. Nothing like racing 30 in a class or more… except at Bandi…
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