2005 CSC Class wish list!!

Hey Stacy, Brad, JB, Doug or whomever….if myself or Chirstopher wanted to run stock motos in the CSC which class would you want us to run in. Obviously we shouldn’t run in the semi-pro class because of the difference in experience with the true semi drivers. Should we (or he) just run in the pros and play arround mid-to-rear of the pack?

I-dunno we’d just like to play (with the big boys) and not have to pay ya know. TAG’s cool and all but we just can’t get arround not clutchin starts and grabbin gears. Personall pipe dream I guess….to bad the pro class has been following the national trend instead of setting our own for the pros (ie. Pros in stock, ya I said STOCK, moto’s)

If you are lookin into making a class for pros with stock-moes count my brother in and me when I can make it. If not, yall keep smokin that fatty role of benjamins.

To expound on an earlier suggestion, I believe the first rung on the ladder system should be club racing, not CSC. This is the way many other forms of racing work. For example:

– A new driver must have successfully competed in 4 races at the club level, and submit proof that he/she did, to compete in any CSC class. Then they run the rest of the year with an “X” on their number plate.

– Pro125 drivers must have at least 1 full season of competition in a shifter kart.

Basically, a simplified licensing system. We just need to stick to the rules once they’re made (like CIK, not SKUSA).

20 laps! Does that include a pit stop and oxygen? 😆 As a lifelong motorcyclist I finish a 100-200 mile enduro through the meanest, nastiest, narliest terrain available with a huge smile on my face. 😀 I can never get enough so I understand how you veterans desire more laps. However, as a newbie to karts I still find I?m toast after only five laps. With 10-15 laps I?m probably dangerous (can I put two x?s on my plate). 😯 With 20 laps I may have to have a medi-vac. On the other hand, that will allow the front runners several opportunities to check on my condition as they keep lapping me. 😳 Hey, whatever the rules, I?m game.

Let’s race!

Kurt, your idea of a CSC racer needing 4 races minimum is good, thats what Rob Howden of SKI suggested to my pops when they talked in norman about our series, however that might not work seeing as CSC comes so early that there might not be enough club races for them to participate. A lot of newbies have jumped on the CSC bandwagon with success: Heres a list
Myself (1 first, 2 seconds)
Ben Schemerhorn (1 first, 1 third)
Denny Garwood (1 First)
T Broekemeier (Fourth)
Conner New (2nd i think, and a Fourth)
Chad Corken (a second)
Jansen (a fourth)
Both of Bill Farleys Kids as well with A championship.
Mike Petrie (first)
Mike Baures (second)
Jeffery Rein (second)
I think the comer 50 kids as well, but not sure
Most of these guys are 1 or 2 seasons of the CSCs existance, so not bad, and mostly I didn’t add last years stuff as i cannot find results for it so….
If I forgot anyone or made a mistake, sorry.

Also some dude got second in pro this year without any shifterkart experiace so…….

Another point, and I am not involved with this class, but some buddys of mine are interested in novice class with stocker icc motors. Without a ladder system, Kurt, you are asking people that may have enough experiance in a shifter, but want an intermediate class to run, or do not think they are ready/comfortable with a the hyper competitive proclass. If there are just stock motos, then a dude will have to buy as stock honda or yamaho, then ditch it for an ICC or a ‘weedy or anyother powerfull moto if they want to move up. So if the racer can start off in novice with a K9 or a Pavesi, run it one year, get it modified the next, and run pro the next. There is 3 seasons of racing out of that motor. With ICC homologations every 3 years, that would mean the motor is PERFECTLY not out dated for competition use. I have a 2004 homolagtion spec, and a 2001 (the motors 03) as well. And the 03 is a tad faster, so honestly being able to continue with the same specification powerplant in a progression/latter of multiple classes would help the sport grow and keep people in it. Motos should be compensated as well that way people with motos can remain plenty competitive against ICC powerplants. Not trying to jump on anyone, but trying to offer my best judgements, if you dissagree, say so for the benefit of the series.

God i need to get into my new kart, these withdrawl from karting syptoms are killing me

Good point on the rookies, Marc – it’s hard to argue with a data-backed opinion. Maybe 4 club races is too much. But my basic arguement is that we need some way of monitoring a newbie’s progress so that they meet a minimum skill level before competing in the CSC. A driver school, perhaps? Could be a revenue generator….

Besides, I was responding to Taylor’s comments. I’m a bit puzzled why one of the best TaG pilots wants to start in Novice 125, after you’ve already shown him the way to Pro125.

On your other point, I’d say stock ICC’s should start out in S2 or Sr/Heavy with the modified motos. With stock motos at 34hp, and stock ICCs at 40hp, I don’t think we could add enough weight to make them even in one class. And as mentioned above, “stock” can’t really be defined for an ICC anyway, but SKUSA’s already defined a stock moto. This doesn’t mean more races; we could run S2 and Stock 125 classes together, or S2 and Sr/Hvy.

Someone asked about the S2 class for 2005. I know of at least 8 drivers that will enter if all that raced last year race in ’05. It would be cool if this class was on a faster tire for a benchmark against the Pro 125 lap times. The price difference is not that great.

Someone mentioned having a minimum number of club races before drivers are allowed in the CSC. My brother and I raced for the first time at Grand Junction CSC #2. We only had a handful of practice days before this (6 max). Excluding cheapo rental rides that did 40mph max, we had never been in anything outside of shifter karts. The reason for our small amount of experience was the distance we drive to race. With our closest track being 4 hours from home (IMI), it was tough to get practice in and real hard justify a club race. We chose the best bang for our buck and ran the CSC series for all the money, glory and fame 🙄 Just something else to consider. Hindsight having perfect clarity we should have considered TAG karts. To be honest I didn’t even know what they were until after our first race. 😕

Mike Baures
Novice 125

P.S. We had the time of our lives. We made some outstanding friends and had a blast racing! Karters ROCK!!!

You veterans know better than I the hazards rookies pose at races. If you feel a test, class or some other criteria needs to be met in order to participate I can’t argue that. However, I hope you won’t put some kind of restrictions, i.e., four races, in place that will prevent our “rookie” family from participating in the first 2005 CSC event. We plan to participate in local events and ALL the CSC events in 2005. Depending upon schedules that haven’t been announced yet it is possible the first CSC race will be our first kart race. While one’s first race will always be eye opening 😯 , we won’t arrive completely unprepared. My son lives and breathes racing. When we decided several months ago that we would get invovled in karting we started preparing. We started with rentals. Then we attended several races at three different tracks to learn more about the sport, classes and karts. We’ve completed a driving school. We’ve been to four full day test and tune sessions at three different tracks and plan to do many more before that first race. While we will still have a lot to learn I don’t believe we will be a danger or concern to other drivers. People have to start somewhere. While the CSC may be a “championship” series the structure includes several entry or “novice” classes.