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@Marc Elliott wrote:
Wow it’s heating up back home eh??? Didn’t think that there would be warfare over a combustion chamber….
And you thought it only got hot in Arizona eh? 8)
It’s all good Marc, its called healthy debate. Your Dad’s an attorney, didn’t you sit around the table and debate continually? We did that weekly at my house. And the next night you had to swap sides on the issue!Sure, a shot or two across the bow was a bit much but issue’s been identified, debated and heard. And I still like Brad (but just don’t tell him)
Now it’s time to go racin’! :hit :driverJed,
First off, I am not slighting Scott in any way. He is one hell of a driver and a great egg.
What’s gotten me is we run by rules. Rules are a living organism so to speak. People have incurred a cost that is now a paperweight. I’m only going to be out the cost of shipping per sey. What infuriates me is 60 flippin seconds of typing could have eliminated this issue way back when. That’s called due diligence.
What’s the next issue that’ll come up and bite karters in the butt?
Listen, if people ACTIVELY made a choice in spite of the rules then shame on them. I’m being put in that category and it pisses me off. If someone called you a child molester that would upset you, wouldn’t it? If it wasn’t true would you sit there and take it? I wouldn’t. Maybe I’m too old school and showing my Las Vegas roots. Back in the day you made an asinine accusation you either had a duel in the street or you had a meeting in the unmarked room in the bowels of the casino you were cheating. It’s called honor and respect. I think I’ve earned it throughout my 4 years of racing and my actions.
So, once again accountability goes the wayside. And people suffer.
@blink wrote:
The head volume was 12cc last year 12cc this year. Weight was 390 last year 390 this year. I told you at the first race of the year the rules were the same when you told me you had the 12cc head. Did you think I was joking? The decision was made two months ago. Why don’t you man up Jansen!!
Man up? I’m sitting here addressing the issue head on with you instead of going behind CSC’s back bitching with a hidden agenda or secret meetings. That takes pretty big balls. So yes, I’ve manned up.
Did I think you were joking? No, but your laid back attitude was interpreted by me as we’ll probably follow TaG USA’s rules. Had you been more adamant about it I would have known the answer. Honestly I don’t know you that well other than you have a hot button towards cheating and fairness. And I commend you on that.
It’s possible that it would have taken approximately 60 seconds to put in writing (on this website) what was said verbally to make it official. Talk to any attorney and they’ll tell you, a verbal agreement is as good as the paper it was written on. If you tell us to jump in a lake is that official? If I tell you I’ve read the disclaimer in your shop about racing on your premisis, wouldn’t that be binding and clear you of fault? That’s a verbal agreement, isn’t it!
I did my due diligence by WAITING till last Wednesday to make the Motori head change. I would have changed my workout and diet earlier. Did you do your due diligence? Take responsibilty and accountability. I have.
The last post was completed before your response…
To answer your comments individually:
I just found out that the rules have changed in TaG class pertaining to the Motori7 head. The original head that we have is 12cc’s and the head that the engine was homologated with is 9.5cc’s. Now, 9 days before the season starts we (Motori owners) are being told the homologated head is illegal and we can’t use it. No 10 pounds additional weight, just persona non grata..
BS!
I clearly remember the FIRST CLUB RACE at TheTrack, walking up to you and asking which head you were running and you told me the 12cc head. I then told you that we had decided to leave the cc for the Motori the same at 12cc and the weight the same as last year for this season. You then told me that you had ordered the new head but had not received it yet. You never once objected to me telling you that the Motori would be running the same setup at last season. That is what I told you exactly
Brad, you can call me a bastard, S.O.B. , a.s.s.hole or even c.o.c.k :censored but don’t ever call me a liar, ever.
I did not tell you that I had ordered a head at the first club race. If I had why did I call Mike Manning last wednesday afternoon to place said order? The check was written the following day (4/26; check number 2081) I’m not calling you a liar but you’re misinformed. What I DID tell you is that I was going to get one and use it so that I could take the weight penalty. You MIGHT have thought you told me but why in the hell would I place an order 12 days before CSC #1?Yes, it looks pretty evenly matched to me from last season so why should we give the Motori more power in Colorado? Does Roman or Kyle need more power to win first place over last season? None of the other TAG engines had anything changed for them. We are not penalizing the Motori. We are not adding weight or changing the head volume higher than what we ran last season. We decided that there was close parity with the rules the way they were last season and saw no need to give the Motori a break when the engine was very competitive, won both classes last year, had most the most drivers with the same engine in the top ten with the 12cc head even with drivers that were way overweight.
Look, what I’m upset about is that I COMMUNICATED to you at the meeting at IMI about going that way to get to my normal weight. You think I enjoy curtailing my intake of beer, pizza, other foods? NO! I am at the gym at 5:45am working out knowing I could use the 9.5 head with a weight penalty.
Do you honestly believe I bought the MOTORI because it gave me a competitive advantage? My reasons for buying the motori are still the same as they were last July the day before the race at Centennial: reliability, competitive price point, and a clutch that works due to being beefier than the rotax model that I kept breaking (flywheel pins, shoes and clutch support plates)
I got tired of cheerleading from the infield. And I still am and that’s why i’ve been racing the club races to iron out the kinks NOW instead of at the State races.
Had I deeper pockets I’d have run a Sonic: I could weigh more and be competitive at all tracks motorwise. It just has a tendency to blow up because people didn’t know how to tune them and the clutch was an issue. Jim Keesling has now proved that it’s a reliable engine. Albeit does have less time between rebuilds.
Get it straight Brad, I commend you for leveling the playing field and also trying to identify or eradicate cheaters. I want to know that I got beat by a driver who is more talented, had more seat time or a better tuned chassis. The same way people who I beat recognize the same in me. It wasn’t due to the “magic engine” “magic fuel” etc.
Angie has a job, great. What I’m saying is word of mouth and innuendos doesn’t cut it for me. I could care less about the gossip and politics, I’m too blunt to play that game. You or someone with the authority could have taken a minute and posted here on this website “NO 9.5 Motori heads, period.” That’s called official communication. Many would have grumbled but like I’ve said before “the dictator speaks, deal with it” And myself and others would have adjusted.
I think CSC, you, Angie, Jim, Stacey, JB et. al. could have taken a minute to post that simple 5 word memo. And in that someone failed. Just like the line in COOL HAND LUKE, “what we have here is a failure to communicate.”
You know what’s amazing:
TaG USA is trying to help the motori by lessening the weight, adding the 9.5 head and allowing a spacer of 1 inch from the cylinder to the exhaust manifold.
Here in Colorado we’re adding weight and increasing the head volume!So, is the CSC reimbursing the suckers/saps/idiots err racers who already paid and installed their heads? They need an answer!
Let me get this straight, the first 3 races in the mile high series ran without rules and allowed this?
The thing that urinates me the most is the fact that unless I want to consult Nicole Ritchie on rapid weight loss I’m overweight by quite a bit now. AND THAT WAS avoidable.
All it took was people to man up, make that decision quickly in the preseason and go from there. But obviously there are boys making those calls.
So is this going to be addressed? Or am I going to be ignored? 303 931-7660 if you want to address this privately. Grow some balls or wear a skirt next time our paths cross…
Glad you’re okay.
I just got done finishing eating your well travelled granola bars. 8)
They were a little “dry” from flying from Colorado to Iraq back to Colorado. I do still have a DVD you might want to see. Give me the APO address and I’ll send it again…Your Honour, let me rephrase the question. They all drove Non shifter karts…
I am SO serving you watered down grocery store beer
@Joe Rosse wrote:
Whoops–how did I overlook that??!! 😳
Thanks, Angie!
:look :look :look
READ IT!!! Like ma mammy used to always say: Read with your eyes, not with your hands…
@Kirk_Deason wrote:
Feel me?
Feel me??!! Feel me?!
Are you talkin’ to me? Yea, you. Are you talkin’ to me????You’re going to love my new avatar. Y’all are going to head to the porta potties and I figure it’s going to be worth .9 seconds a lap…
Polyester Boy: I’d keep away from Rick. He smokes and your outfit might spontaneously combust. Get around him when you’re wearing cotton. Oops. That might be a bad option also. Have you seen his black pit apron?
:driver
@Rick Schmidt wrote:
Tell the Super Icc guys that Mikey!
Names of previous winners in direct drive/TaG/ICA:
Fernando Alonso
Kimi Raikkonnen
Michael Schumacher
Ayrton Senna
Alan Prost
Lewis Hamilton
Vitantonio LuizziNames of Previous winners in ICC or shifter classes:
Scott SpeedThe Prosecution rests your honour…. 8)
