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We do actually use new nylocs every time we change wheels. It is cheaper to put on new nuts each time, than it would be to repair the damage done if a wheel were to come off.
You can buy bolts already cut for the wire safety clips – I believe these are able to replace safety wiring in most places.
All of the 2004 CSC races were insured by NKA. As for the insurance at each track for test/tune and club race days, I don’t know.
@Doug Welch wrote:
For clutch karts, the SKUSA picture is not nearly so rosey. SKUSA has no 4 cycle junior or senior classes. They do have a junior 1 class but it is based around the more popular Comer engine. They are considering developing a Kid Kart set of rules, but that was undecided if that was going to be included or not. This really impacts 4 classes, Senior 4 cycle, Junior 2, Junior 1 and Kid Karts. They could certainly be added as local option classes; we would have to develop rules for these classes (or adopt other sanctioning body?s rules) and apply for a local option. Not a difficult process, but one that would need to be done.
SKUSA fits roughly 70% of our racers.
Getting these classes as “local option” would not be a big issue. The rules would be consistent with what we have been running, with SKUSA helping us to fill in some of the areas that may be lacking. Also, they would offer full support on these classes, just like any of the TAG or Shifter classes.
They would answer any tech questions that might arise – and before someone jumps in about how SKUSA doesn’t have a clue about Sr4 or Kid Karts, they are commited to learn what they need to offer that full support. I am sure they have endless resources to get this done. The classes we are currently talking about would be Jr1 4cycle, Kid Karts, Sr4 Cycle, and the MiniMax class. ( We were calling the MiniMax a Cadet Tag, but it differs in engines than the already planned ’05 SKUSA class of the same title that will run Gazelles and EasyKart 60s.)If the CSC and SKUSA events were the same, there would be another title to be won…. for example Kid Kart Colorado Sprint Championship AND Kid Kart SKUSA Mountain Region Champion!
Since George is still having problems posting, I am going to share the following information regarding WKA as he shared it with me by email.
There appears to be significant interest in national affiliation and sanctioning among the CSC racers that have made responses on the CK forum. Obviously CRE stands behind WKA and would like to give the merits of WKA membership as a track owner/promoter and a racer. I’ve already sent you a significant list of advantages for both and would like to once again address the real cost of that membership:
a. Racer cost
1. $55.00 per year, individual
2. 15.00 each additional family member
b. Track owner/promoter
1.$200.00 per year at annual review
2. 4.58 per driver or spectator pit passes
Pit pass cost are discounted with
large volumn orders.
3. 2.00 per entry- Joe Karter nat’lprogram
This program is optional.
No other event sanctioning fees are required. Only the filing of the final results of an event are required to establish national points.
Fragmentation of karting has been a real problem over the last 15 plus years with multiple sanctioning bodies and varying procedural and technical specifications. WKA not only sanctions, insures and governs kart racing, the program also promotes and conducts LARGE national events, ie. Daytona Kartweek drew an estimated 4,000 entries last week; regional Gold Cup & Manufacturer Cup events, the North American Karting Championships just to name a few. WKA also sanctions the very popular Rock Island Grand Prix, the successful Stars of Karting Tour and a host of other popular regional events. WKA’s influence is growing from coast to coast with the gradual demise of the IKF and of KART in the midwest. WKA membership gives the racer the flexilbilty to participate as just a recreational competitor at the club level or to pursue tour, regional racing or national competition.
Instate WKA sanctioning could truly unite the track owners/promoters, kart shops and racers in an effort to continue to promote and grow kart racing in Colorado…it would be a huge step in the right direction.
I would ask that the CSC board not only put the series on as a nationally sanctioned tour that could draw out of state competition but open up the rest of WKA’s possibilities to its competitors.
Thanks for your time and consideration……………Again this information has been provided by George Durdin at CRE and does not reflect the views of The Colorado Karter.
I have not and would not EVER do such a thing. I have spoke to George, and I can only say that the problem is not on my end. Worst case, for anyone, would be to email the comments to me and I can post them for you, even under your own name. I did speak with George, and am aware that he has issues on the forum – not of my doing.
the only time I ever moderated anything on this forum was when blatant name calling was done anonymously – that is when I made people register and no longer post as a guest.
Angie MacEwen
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970-204-4430JB, no one is asking you to, how did you phrase it, ?just lay down like a bunch of sheep and let them take over what so many of us have worked so hard to build?.
Jim presented it way differently than that. SKUSA can obviously see the success of what we are doing with the CSC. Why in the world would you expect them to change it all around? And? I am not ?suggesting? anything. I am one of those who have worked hard on the CSC, but whether or not I think this is the way to go or not is really not the issue here. The reason I brought it up was the fact that I thought the racers had a right to know that this was being discussed. It was brought up to the CSC board that this is an option. I thought ( and it might not matter to many what I think) that if it wasn?t made public, the decision would be made based mostly on history and even personal grudges, without the racers even having a chance to get all of the facts. It may turn out that the same decision is made in the end, but at least the karters have had some input. I do think that it is fair to mention the SKUSA history, and based on that, proceed with caution, but not just shut it down. Obviously some thought SKUSA was good enough to put the effort into before, and what says that can?t happen again.I am really sorry that you weren?t on the last call, JB, because you got the nomination of Jim for Race Director all wrong. Jim has no interest in that position. Jim will work with the track owners (and CSC organization if involved) to help things run smoothly from his position of Regional Director. So the argument of a SKUSA official in the management structure of CSC is not an issue?never was. Jim would be happy to talk to anyone with questions, Lord knows I had a few. Jim is out of town for a few days though.
WKA is really not even in the picture. It wasn?t like the CSC board (track owners) decided to look at a sanctioning body, and have narrowed it to SKUSA. Rather it was that SKUSA came into our region, and the decision is either to work together with SKUSA, or to continue CSC as it is. Jim did not need to bring the CSC into it at all, he very well could have just published a SKUSA schedule. It seems to me that even if you don?t embrace the full concept of what SKUSA could do for the CSC, surely you could see what effect having a second series in the region could do to the CSC. Maybe that?s not fair, but it is definitely one way to look at it.
As for the CSC charging a fee for membership and/or raising entry fees..the details have not been decided by the board. The racers want consistency, a race director, a tech director, written rules, etc. Those things can?t be provided at no cost. It isn?t as if the CSC made a bunch of money last year?there is a little bit left to go a long way toward next year.
Rules alone are a huge issue. We were lucky last year in running under other organizations? rules. That is not legal. If they want to push the issue, neither is simply copying them into our own book. These organizations, WKA and SKUSA, are aware that we exist, and they are not going to let anyone continue to use their rules without approval or consequences.
OK, enough. I am working on a questionaire…. it seems we all agree that is the only way to have a true gauge to what the racers want. Track owners, please email me the questions as you would like them to appear on the survey.
-angie
angie
Rusty,
I am glad you responded, and you have some good points. One thing that we agree on, and the reason I have posted this at all, is that the racers need to decide. And to be able to make a decision, they need to know the options. They deserve the opportunity to seek answers to any questions. I am sorry if I have ruffled feathers by bringing this up, but the whole reason that The Colorado Karter came to be was due to the need I saw for communication within the karting community. That doesn?t mean that each racer should get a say in every little decision in the series?. But this is major, and I think that the track owners need to listen to what the kart racers have to say before making a decision.You are right, much work has been done to build the CSC. It will continue to be its own organization. The race director and other key positions will still be filled by people that the CSC choose. The money for that and other things will still be managed by the CSC, not Jim or SKUSA. No one is saying that SKUSA is the ?answer?. It might make sense, though, to take a closer look before dismissing it. It is appealing to me, with the efforts I have put into the CSC, to have Jim and his resources working with us, rather than against us. As much as some may not want to be a part of SKUSA, I think it would be worse to see SKUSA come into the Mountain region as another series on its own. By joining forces we are not relinquishing control, and nothing says that if it doesn?t work this year, we can?t dump them next year.
-angie
the CSC group is meeting (conference call) tonight to work on the schedule and stuff. I will post something to let you know what is decided.
angie
Ben, be patient… the CSC “powers” are reading these comments and are currently coming up with initial rule structures for the classes. I thought we did pretty good getting the classes decided and out now, so please keep the ideas coming.
I don’t have exact answers about the stock moto and Novice 125 deals. I suppose if there were enough stock motos to be scored seperately, that would be considered. I don’t think that the Novice class will be turned into a stock moto only class. Also is my understanding that there are folks from all levels of racing, not really all “novice” drivers, that are interested in the stock moto class.
Notice the “suppose” “considered” and ” don’t think” terms in there. This is just my thoughts after hearing the meeting. The stock moto idea is different than what we ran last year, and it will take some discussion on how to get it right. I know many have posted interest in the stock moto deal. It may help to know who is serious about it – if it were a class scored on its own, or if it is an option for Novice 125 (I better start a seperate thread for that!)
Tom – I guess I should have said “may run together” instead of “will run together” on the TAG thing. The numbers may be too high to combine – so it may not have needed to be said. The point was that they could be, and those drivers wishing to do both may have to consider this. It may not be an issue when we get to the first race and see how many are in each class.
TAG Masters only outnumbered TAG Senior in the last two races of the season. Number of laps and such is yet to be decided by the CSC group. It will be standard through the series, though, with maybe some allowances based on the track size. It won’t be something voted on by the racers at each track on race day.
On that note, though, people are going to have to realize that with the series growing as it is, there are going to be more karts out on the track all of the time. We will have to combine some classes to get through the day in time. And Marc, no promises, it will depend on times and number of participants. The Semi Pro class rules may be adjusted. It just may end up that may be the best place for them. I am not saying they WILL go there, but if times are reasonbly close, and it is determined that is the best place for them, that is where they will go. And the “pros” should be able to handle some traffic! 🙂
angie
@Angie MacEwen wrote:
We eliminated one class, added one class, and split one class which won’t add any track time.
Taylor, we had 13 last year. All that makes it 14 this year is by scoring the Comers seperately from the Animals and Briggs in the Junior 1 – which were already running on the track together. One more set of trophies, No additional track time. We will be combining other classes as appropriate, and are standardizing the race day procedure to keep the race days consistent and smooth.
Relax!! 😛
Curt, I figured you would be busy buying up the new Kart Sport magazine. How many times is Matt in there? Three, I think. All great shots, of course.
So what did you think of the SSGP article?
and just so you know, the next “powers that be” meeting is next week. Expect some updates after that.
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angieThanks Tyler, I will save one for you. Give Ken and I a call, and we will take you to dinner (since you are living so close these days).
angie
Jarret,
thanks for the kind words. Glad you had a good time. There were hundreds of photos in the show, at least a couple of you – and as I didn’t take many pictures myself, I used what everyone else sent me. People should keep that in mind next year… gather up your shots on a CD and I will add them to the show!thanks again.. Good Luck with whatever you decide for next year.
angie
