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Rich
I believe those are special events for CRE, not necessarily races, but demonstration booths, etc just like last year, where the racers display their karts and talk with the fans and interested new racers.
George put them on his calendar so that the CRE racers know what all is going with CRE and can plan their summer schedule accordingly. If there are races involved, I don’t know of them yet.
Duff
I don’t know if George can respond. I heard (maybe a rumor) that his access to reply to posts on this site has been removed. If true, it is very troublesome that a Colorado kart track owner isn’t allowed to communicate on a public forum for Colorado karters. Perhaps Angie can verify if this is a rumor or not.
I doubt that George has been denied access to the forums.
It may just be a problem signing on. I seem to have a real problem getting logged on sometimes but it is my computer or me that causes the problem. Eventually I finally get on.Rusty
I have not and would not EVER do such a thing. I have spoke to George, and I can only say that the problem is not on my end. Worst case, for anyone, would be to email the comments to me and I can post them for you, even under your own name. I did speak with George, and am aware that he has issues on the forum – not of my doing.
the only time I ever moderated anything on this forum was when blatant name calling was done anonymously – that is when I made people register and no longer post as a guest.
Angie MacEwen
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970-204-4430Since George is still having problems posting, I am going to share the following information regarding WKA as he shared it with me by email.
There appears to be significant interest in national affiliation and sanctioning among the CSC racers that have made responses on the CK forum. Obviously CRE stands behind WKA and would like to give the merits of WKA membership as a track owner/promoter and a racer. I’ve already sent you a significant list of advantages for both and would like to once again address the real cost of that membership:
a. Racer cost
1. $55.00 per year, individual
2. 15.00 each additional family member
b. Track owner/promoter
1.$200.00 per year at annual review
2. 4.58 per driver or spectator pit passes
Pit pass cost are discounted with
large volumn orders.
3. 2.00 per entry- Joe Karter nat’lprogram
This program is optional.
No other event sanctioning fees are required. Only the filing of the final results of an event are required to establish national points.
Fragmentation of karting has been a real problem over the last 15 plus years with multiple sanctioning bodies and varying procedural and technical specifications. WKA not only sanctions, insures and governs kart racing, the program also promotes and conducts LARGE national events, ie. Daytona Kartweek drew an estimated 4,000 entries last week; regional Gold Cup & Manufacturer Cup events, the North American Karting Championships just to name a few. WKA also sanctions the very popular Rock Island Grand Prix, the successful Stars of Karting Tour and a host of other popular regional events. WKA’s influence is growing from coast to coast with the gradual demise of the IKF and of KART in the midwest. WKA membership gives the racer the flexilbilty to participate as just a recreational competitor at the club level or to pursue tour, regional racing or national competition.
Instate WKA sanctioning could truly unite the track owners/promoters, kart shops and racers in an effort to continue to promote and grow kart racing in Colorado…it would be a huge step in the right direction.
I would ask that the CSC board not only put the series on as a nationally sanctioned tour that could draw out of state competition but open up the rest of WKA’s possibilities to its competitors.
Thanks for your time and consideration……………Again this information has been provided by George Durdin at CRE and does not reflect the views of The Colorado Karter.
If my memory serves me correctly
In all the years Mr.Durbin served himself as the IKF regional director , he refused to sanction any other track than his own for IKF events .Why should we believe his self serving attitude would have changed since
becoming the WKA regional director ?J.B.
George may be WKA sanctioned, however he had only one class following their rules last year. I do not believe he applied for local option which means if someone gets hurt his insurance does not cover the event. It is the reason IKF GOT RID OF HIM !!!!!
Brian Moore
J.B.,
I was just a regional co-ordinator for IKF. It wasn’t my responsiblity to “sanction” your track. As the IKF co-ordinator it was my responsibilty to inform regional tracks of the benefits of IKF participation and then co-ordinate activities between IKF tracks in the region. All of the Colorado track owners are aware of IKF & WKA and have the means to contact them regarding sanctioning. I know that IKF sent out “track packs”, regarding affiliation, to all of the Colorado tracks. It is my underdstanding that Randy Kugler of WKA had discussions with a local promoter last season. I had no authority over regional tracks as an IKF co-ordinator….you can call the IKF office to confirm that.
There’s nothing self serving about asking other state tracks to become affiliated with the same NATIONAL sanctioning body. CRE has been the only nationally afffiliated track in the state over the last five years….encouraging other tracks owners to become affiliated with the same organization would make CRE only one of the states five nationally sanctioned facilities.How is that self serving?
CRE’s current affiliation with WKA does not give us any authority over any other facility and that isn’t the purpose of sanctioning. I am NOT a WKA official of any type. I am not seeking any kind of office or authority.
As a track owner I am just suggesting a way that all five of the states tracks can work together by sharing the same rulebook, tech manual and insuring body that has no bias towards any of the facilities involved….both the track owners and the competitors benefit from mutual communication and co-operation. The effort is to make the sport simplier and easier to understand for the racer and to have uniformity amongst the tracks serving the public. The same rulebook, tech manual and insuring body in Grand junction,Denver, Colorado Springs, Los angeles, Boston, Miami, Las Vegas……
J.B. there are no insults intended in this response.There are soon to be FIVE tracks in the state and the state doesn’t have significantly more racers today than we did five years ago. The circumstance calls for communication and co-operation between not only the track owners/promoters but the various kart shops and the racers.Hotwheels,
Neither the IKF or WKA manual REQUIRES that the Comer K80 be blueprinted to compete at the club level. Your parents were in agreement with the Egans, Hawkins,Ullstroms,Rosses,Whetstones,Sullivans,Christensens
before the beginning of the 2003 season that the class would be run at CRE as a boxstock class in an effort to keep the class affordable. It wasn’t until the Stars program came to town and well after the 03 season started that you demanded that the entire class be required to blueprint their engines because it was YOUR desire to run on the Stars tour. You were absolutely oblivious to the concerns and cost to the other seven families to meet your demands and went to extreme measures to get your way and made an ass out of yourself in the process. Your actions and attitude had you banned at CRE……and nowyou are howling about the CSC program?You got what you asked for. Given your track record this summer in the CSC you should probably be carefull of what you ask for!
CRE was in full compliance with the boxstock Comer Jr.I class and the local option to use the Vevey pipe.
I resigned my position with the IKF because the organization wasn’t designed to promote kart racing accross the country and was not keeping up with the demands and growth of our sport. The WKA is growing in leaps and bounds and is in a future position to not only sanction and insure our sport but to promote and unite it from coast to coast.Brian,
Your Assumption is incorrect If an event is a sanctioned event weather it be WKA, IKF, SKUSA, SCCA, ChampCar, IRL NASCAR and you have a pit pass issued by them you are covered by there Participant Accident insurance.
The classes run don’t matter as long as the event is run under the safety and sporting rules of the organization.George you are mistaken obviously my contact with I.K.F. , and the incident with the Egan Boy where he flipped upside down caused them to think twice about having your track sanctioned by them. I also have letters from Art V. and the President of I.K.F if any of you want to see them. Some of you already have especially those of you that have been to George’s track. Mitch find out the facts first it would save you embarrasment.
I AM RIGHT!!!!
Brian MooreBrian,
I have no reason to be embarrassed, I have a fairly detailed knowledge of how sanctioning and sanction body?s work. True I don?t have detail knowledge of IKF here in Colorado.
The way that most of the organizations that I have been associated with work is if a driver or crew member gets hurt and the and have received a pit pass issued by ABC group they are covered by the PA insurance that the group provids, in the case of the organization that I work for that amount is $1M of coverage if you are a member and $25K if not. Most karting organizations and karting insurance providers are around $25K or less for PA..Not trying to get into a pissing match just stating my understanding.
MW
Mitch no problem. I am stating fact. If you would like I am more than willing to bring the materials to the track sent back and forth with IKF. I am not in Colorado right now so can’t scan info into the computer. Besides I could have doctored it. I have original copies at home. The day the Egan boy was injured at George’s is the day that I had passed out correspondence between myself and the IKF. George was not insured, and no the Egan boy was not covered. If they had wanted to they could have gone after George for the boys injury’s. Lucky George they didn’t.
George,
Yes I have complaints with how the CSC is going. However unlike you they are trying to fix the problems with the series, and by keeping the subject matter present and constant it will hopefully change. I am not worried about what im wishing for with tech and the rules. If they are written and I have a copy I will read and follow them. Unlike your WKA rules that you bastardize probably without WKA’s approval. Not sure maybe I need to help you out again by asking WKA some questions about your track.Brian Moore
P.S. If you doctor the rules of IKF and they are not approved by I. K. F. there insurance will not cover expenses!
Brian,
I don’t see what Jesse Egan’s unfortunate accident has to do with anything. He was barrelling into turn 1, made contact with another kart, and flipped. Very unfortunate (and fortunate that he wasn’t hurt seriously), but what does that have to do with CRE, George, or IKF?
After that event I read my IKF policy pretty carefully (and since then I’ve read the WKA policy, which is nearly identical). It’s been a while, and I’m no insurance expert, but my reading of the policies is that they’re not really intended to replace a racer’s personal medical coverage insurance. They might cover some expenses that your own insurance doesn’t, but any of us would be crazy to race without our own, adequate medical insurance.
As I understand it, though, it could be of help if someone else decides to sue us racers as part of a track activity. Say, for instance, that a wheel comes off your kart and flies into a crowd of spectators. The spectator’s attorney might decide to to sue you, as well as the track operator (despite the waiver the spectator signed). That’s where having WKA/IKF/etc. insurance might be handy for us, as well as the track operators.
More generally, do you have to make everything a personal attack on George and CRE? This thread was really about WKA as one option for affiliation for CSC. That’s a useful discussion, let’s not make it a personal pissing match, OK? :cheers:
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