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The head volume was 12cc last year 12cc this year. Weight was 390 last year 390 this year. I told you at the first race of the year the rules were the same when you told me you had the 12cc head. Did you think I was joking? The decision was made two months ago. Why don’t you man up Jansen!!
No Mike, you have got to be kidding, your not kidding me.
I just found out that the rules have changed in TaG class pertaining to the Motori7 head. The original head that we have is 12cc’s and the head that the engine was homologated with is 9.5cc’s. Now, 9 days before the season starts we (Motori owners) are being told the homologated head is illegal and we can’t use it. No 10 pounds additional weight, just persona non grata..
BS! :bs:
I clearly remember the FIRST CLUB RACE at TheTrack, walking up to you and asking which head you were running and you told me the 12cc head. I then told you that we had decided to leave the cc for the Motori the same at 12cc and the weight the same as last year for this season. You then told me that you had ordered the new head but had not received it yet. You never once objected to me telling you that the Motori would be running the same setup at last season. That is what I told you exactly.
Can I see some data to support your findings please. NOW.
TaG USA rules, which are what we’re following, say the homologated head is perfectly fine.
So, let me get this straight, when the motori’s got their arses handed to them at the SuperNationals in Las Vegas and at that point the sanctioning bodies knew of the smaller displacement head they tested them; They found that they would be okay and that there would be an additional weight penalty of 10 pounds. Case closed.
But that doesn’t matter we have better data, right! Produce it!
In some smoky back room I think after a few scotches or beers a decision was made with NO backing data but a few harebrained observations. Well let me present your case for you since it was conveniently slipped into the rule book without as much as a peep.The data from the results of last season in COLORADO at 5280 feet:
TAG Masters
1st place Motori/Roman Gutierrez who was 20-25 lbs overweight, did not have to run the last race was that far ahead in points.
3rd place Motor/ Gunter 3 lbs overweight
4th place Motori/Jack Nugent who was 25+ lbs overweight
5th place Motori/Sam Walls who was 10-15lbs overweight
11 place Motori/Mike Jansen who was 20+ lbs overweight with no brakes
TAG Senior
1st place Motori/ Kyle Ray on weight
5th place Motori/Sam Walls way over weight
6th place Motori/Gunter DeSanti on weight
I attended the race in Las Vegas and the TAG World finals race at New Castle. I have had many discussions with Marty Casey about the Motori concerning the head volume and the weight. It was my opinion that the Motori needed the 9.5cc head to be competitive at lower elevations. I expressed my opinion to Marty Casey at each race while we were watching the TAG races. He agreed the Motori needed a change to be competitive at Las Vegas and the World Finals and in California. He also knew that the Motori was running very competitive in Colorado at our elevation. Marty knows me well enough to know that I am all about parity in the TAG class. I do not think there was anyone except for Mike Manning, the Motori importer, which was pushing for a change in the Motori head volume more than me. I do not think the Leopard engine should be dominating every TAG race event we attended for the last 4 years. I also do not think any TAG engine should be dominating every race. TAGUSA attempts to make parity between engines but we all know that certain tracks favor some engines over others. Altitude also affects some engines more than others in different ways. It is impossible to make the weights and rules equal for every situation. Marty Casey knows this only too well and allows regions to make adjustments to suit their situation. Nationally he cannot do that and everyone must run by the same rules.
Evidence article 1 of the prosecution:
Sam Walls and Roman ran away with the championship in TaG Masters. So did Kyle Ray in TaG Senior. Flimsy argument! CSC race #1; Fastest Laps, Sam 56.5, Roman 56.7, Charles Gordon (rotax)56.6; CSC @ IMI 55.7 Roman, 55.7 Sam, 55.6 Charles; CSC @ Action Karting 42.7 Sam, 42.6 Roman, 43.1 Rick Samu. It looks pretty evenly matched to me wouldn’t you say?Yes, it looks pretty evenly matched to me from last season so why should we give the Motori more power in Colorado? Does Roman or Kyle need more power to win first place over last season? None of the other TAG engines had anything changed for them. We are not penalizing the Motori. We are not adding weight or changing the head volume higher than what we ran last season. We decided that there was close parity with the rules the way they were last season and saw no need to give the Motori a break when the engine was very competitive, won both classes last year, had the most drivers with the same engine in the top ten with the 12cc head even with drivers that were way overweight.
Evidence article 2 of the prosecution:
Gunter DeSanti ran a 55.4 at the Mile High Challenge race April1st. That’s right. And he was weighted for TaG senior weight so he was what, 40 pounds light? Ask Jack Warrington (who tried to race stock Honda last season for a race or two) what 40 pounds does to your times, regardless of how good a driver you are! Plus, Gunter was running MG’s yellows. Is this really the argument you want to base your decision on?We decided two months ago before the season began and our decision was not based on what Gunter ran at TheTrack. It is not the argument we based the decision on.
I talked with Gunter and he said he weighed 365, (5lbs over TAG Senior weight) which is only 25lbs less than the weight for the Motori at 390 (same as last year, Angie is going to make that correction). Gunter is the only one who owns a Motori that has been honest with me about the power of the Motori. Gunter owns two Motori?s and agrees with us that the engine should be run the same as last year. He feels the Motori is very competitive with the other engines and thinks that more power will make the engine dominate the TAG class. Gunter also said the MOJO tires at TheTrack did not change his times more than a tenth or two.
The most pathetic thing about this knee jerk reaction? I asked at the IMI meeting specifically if this was going to be addressed. Brad said it was being looked into. All I asked was to rule as quickly as possible because it determines my racing weight and if I am going to purchase the homologated head.
Quickly: with speed; rapidly; very soon; an adverb
Quick: done, proceeding with promptness or rapidity, as an action process, etc. as in a quick shower.It was not a knee jerk reaction. I told AJ even before TAGUSA changed the rules last year that we would more than likely not change the weight and the cc for the Motori in Colorado even if there was a change made by TAGUSA. When the TAGUSA rules were changed I reminded AJ of what I told him last year and suggested he not change any heads before the season started. Even AJ agreed with me that the Motori needed a change at lower altitude but not here.
You just insulted the top drivers. You discounted the time and money they spent to get to the top of the heap. Kyle Ray races karts in two classes and races Midgets. Ask Bill Ray what they spent in tires alone testing. Same can be said about Rick Schmidt and Roman. I know personally how many sets of MG’s they went through to get good. No, make that great. Sam Walls is or was a G1 Nationally ranked (number 4) driver. You just flushed away their talent by saying it was their engines. Scott Hersh just finished the IMI club race Sunday in his Biland powered kart with the “hot” pipe (Patriot pipe?) and was faster by 1.0 seconds a lap. He’s a crap driver is what you’re saying. It’s got to be his new pipe. So, by Sunday all “hot” piped bilands will have 25 or 30 pounds of weight added to their karts? To make it fair, wait till Thursday night and sneak it in the rules AND DON’T NOTIFY ANYONE OF SUCH A MONUMENTAL CHANGE. I for one think 25 pounds is enough. 30 would be too much.
I am really trying to figure out what you mean by this gibberish. I never said the only reason they were competitive was because of their engine last year but I sure would if they got to use the 9.5cc head this year. There was parity in the TAG classes last year in Colorado with the rules the way they were and there is no reason to upset that balance.
Scott is a very good driver and he even finishes the race. You can?t win if you don?t complete your laps. If I were you I would be more worried about having good brakes than the fastest engine. Also, don?t most people buy an engine they think will give them the greatest advantage for their own situation? Why did you buy a Motori? Because it was the cheapest, NO, because it was slow, NO, because it was the best looking engine, NO. You bought a Motori because you thought it was the best engine for you to win with.
I have not heard one good reason from anyone of the Motori owners as to why we should give them more power in Colorado. Their only legitimate complaint may be that they did not know about the decision. I know for a fact that you knew because I told you myself and I know that AJ knew that we were probably going to keep things the same because I told him. It may have taken longer than we wanted for Angie to publish the rules but Angie has a job now and it takes a lot of time to do the job she did.
Maybe I am missing something as to why you think you need more power when the Motori engine was competitive the way it was run last season. Could it be that you were using that 9.5cc head last season?
Can anyone out there explain to me why an engine that won both TAG classes, one with a driver overweight and many drivers running up front overweight NEED MORE POWER?
😥 in your beer
Rick,
If I had your neck (titanium) mine would never get tired. Actually I was bending my neck looking down into the 5-axis toe mirror located on the end of my carbide steel-toed military laser guided combat boot I usually come stock with.
There is no snow, practice is open at 9:00am Saturday, Gates open 7:00am Sunday, we have all of the VP fuels instock.
Dan never was a morning person. Jim keeps his track warm with a electric blanket so there should be no problem.
Drills will unscrew the nut if the engine starts and are too slow. We have Coleman starters instock which have a bendix at IMI.
At our date set meeting we had a list of race dates Angie had put together to avoid. I do not remember if the KSGP was on it. We would have avoided the date if possible. I am sure it was just a mistake. We always appreciate the coverage KartSport has done for the CSC. Now if I can get you to do a story about the new 4 stroke engines I would even put an ad in your fine publication.
