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Hello Tom
PPKRC runs TAG at SBR Motorsports Park in Calhan, CO. Check out the 2013 schedule at http://www.ppkrc.com
Eddy
:coGents
Most of you all know what it cost to run competively at the level we’ve been talking about. Simply believe that if the state series cost are not managed it becomes very difficult or impossible for some to support/play. I made a proposal that mirrored last years SKUSA class structure + Rotax. Don’t know what that has to do with WKA, 18 classes or anything else out of context post. However, if the majority that have an interest in what we have support a RMPKC program as a front range or call it a state series, then so be it. It will happen.
Sorry Mike, I’ll try to be more positive……
I’m a patient man, waiting to see how it all turns out.
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Chris
Absolutely agree with everything you said. However, if we exclude the minimum to run option and give up on having a state run series on the front range similar to the old CSC, we have not gained a thing. WE exclude CJKC and most who have supported PPKRC.
Just my belief that if we end up with an expanded version of the Pro-Kart Challenge that is exclusive Rotax and Stock Moto many will not be financially capable to buy new equipment/engines and also foot a $600.00 plus race event weekend. Been there, done that. You may be the top dog at the local and/or regional level, but when you’re at the Nationals against the factory teams it’s completely different. That’s when you realize that spec racing does not exist. Fact is, there’s never been spec. racing and never will be! :loco
For those of us that are trying to build karting in Colorado, bring new folks to the sport, expand it to all the available tracks, we’re looking for more affordable ways to accomplish/ expand that vision to tracks beyond SBR. This can only happen if the karters support that vision. Doesn’t look like it’s going to happen so far.
Have a Great Weekend All!
Respectfully,
Eddy
:coChris
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Good Luck,
Eddy
:coHello Scott
I’m not in favor of a WKA series or anything like that, hope that wasn’t the implication. Understand that Rotax and SKUSA is the future, atleast west of the Mississippi. Thank you for your honesty and truely hope you get what you want in a front range or state race series. :clap:
Respectfully,
Eddy
:coOK, Greg
We could do that (add TAG Cadet). In fact if you believe we will have the numbers, I’ll consider being a class sponsor. I’m for what ever works.
Let’s keep the discussion going. Again, I suggest focusing on keeping the cost down for the racers on series membership and race fees. If everyone is for the class structure proposal, I’m willing to take the lead and see if we can make this happen. Hope to talk with your Dad and Brad sometime before the end of the month to see what it took to run the CSC. Believe a quality, safe, affordable real state championship series run by Colorado Karting people is the end game.
If I’m off target and anyone thinks I’m wasting my time, Please let me know. Just something I’m passionate about seeing this happen and simply a way to give something back. It’s not about me, I could run SBR/ SKUSA and Colorado Kart Racing for Heroes.
Thanks for the suggestion Greg.
Have a Great Weekend,
Eddy
:coOK Gents/Racers here’s a basis class proposal for a state run series. 10 classes…..
– Micro Max
– Mini Max
– TAG/Rotax Jr.
– TAG/Rotax Sr.
– TAG/Rotax Master
– DD2
– DD2 Master
– Stock Moto Jr (S5)
– Stock Moto Sr (S1-3)
– Stock Moto Master (S4)We could run same weights/age, rules as in SKUSA/RMAX. That way those who run a National program would not need to change set-ups to run the state races. Anyone not fitting in the classes would need to bring a minimum number (TBD) to meet a local option, for example 4 strokes.
Blast away,
Eddy
:anyoneSo do I Angel.
So far it seems that Brad and I are on the same page, atleast publicly we are speaking. May be more like you and Chris Wogrin who want this to happen. Not sure if there are others that simply just want to see things remain the same. In recent talks with Lee at SBR, I believe he would like to have a state race at his track. However, he will speak for himself.
The sad thing is, for those who were not around in 2007/08 and didn’t see or experience what we had in Colorado, they may be the folks most difficult to convince it’s the right thing to do. Seems to be a perception that a state series would be a bad thing for anyone planning to run a National program (outside the state). We (when I was with Meek Motorsports) found it actually helped us stay sharp and more prepared when we went on the road doing RMAX, Stars of Karting and WKA Man. Cup.
Don’t have big pockets, however, I’m prepared to help get things started by helping to fund a track support crew for a state series, i.e. score keeper, head flagman and some corner marshalls. Hopefully there will be others to provide some sponsorship money to help make it happen. Very important in helping keep the racing cost down for the racers and their families. We have alot of very talented and experienced folks out there to pool from, some former racers.
Like Scott, I’ll help get it started, however, would plan to be a driver/participant once the administrative process is complete and we know it’s ready to launch.
Additionally have some ideas about a schedule and would be willing to work with anyone who is interested in making this actually happen. At the end of the day, obviously, it would take the support and cooperation of the Colorado karting community (shop owners, clubs and members) and most importantly the track owners. Realistically, we may not get a race at every purpose built track so may want to consider one temp course. Not my idea, but would support the masses. Just throwing out ideas and keeping an open mind.
Suggest an organizational meeting some time before the end of Jan.2013. Time date and location could be set by and or coordinated by the track owners if they would be kind enough to do that: based on what we’ve seen on this thread and phone cons, I’ve had to date looks like we have possible races at IMI, GJMS, Bandy, SBR and a proposal from Greg to do a Unser race. Pretty cool idea if you ask me, 2 short tracks, 2 long and a temp. Or it would be even better if we could get Jim to let us have one at the The Track as well.
That’s all for now. :peace
Cheers,
Eddy
:coHello Cris
Thanks for the input, recommendation and support. Brad has lined out a relatively inclusive program that worked before. No reason to re-invent the wheel.
Let’s keep this going. Got to have the support of the racers, track owners and all. If not, at the end of the day, it’s more of the same in 2013, racing at the same track every month unless your CJKC, or Pro-Kart tour. For those who want to run a National program, a good state series to run at home can be a good thing, not a take away.
Obviously we would need to avoid any schedule conflicts. A starting point could be with the current schedules already posted. :idea
Respectfully,
EddySanity check!!!!!!! Thank you Brad. That’s what I’m TALKIN” about…. But, I’m old.
Why can’t we put something together like THAT??????
:anyone
Thanks Jon for the clear view.
When we, my Dad and I had a kart shop and we started in karting many years ago in Florida, the Florida karters decided to run IKF, before WKA, SKUSA, RMAX etc. Everyone ran the same class structure, rules, insurance etc. both at the local level (club) and throughout the entire state. And as you may know, there was a Regional and National Championship (The Duffy) still have it today if I’m not mistaken. In answering the thread subject question from Scott “Why can’t WE?” The point I’ve been trying to make unsuccessfully obviously. We can.
Decide what sanctioning organization that will support a state series, run it like a Regional or National program if that is what everyone wants in a Colorado State Series. Or trash the idea and keep heading down the road we’ve been on since the state club series and CSC went away.
Scott, Stacey, Jay anybody feel free to chime in….
Respectfully,
EddyGood points Don. As I suggested in a previous post. If Scott, Stacey and all want to go with SKUSA, unless they change the engines permitted from last season and make it Stock Moto and Rotax only, we should be good for a state series. Again, it doesn’t matter to me SKUSA, IKF or TAG USA. I’m supporting a state series. I love Rotax ran them for 4 years. Like others, just my preference at this time to run something I can work on without sending it to a shop.
I’m out for now. Happy New Year!
Eddy
🙂Greg
We’ve had this discussion before, I don’t believe we will accomplish a thing if karters have to buy a Rotax or Stock Moto to run, it defeats the purpose. Didn’t we try that? Look at the polarization and numbers from the last 3 years. May as well leave it as is SKUSA Mountain with Rotax or RMAX at The Track and the rest on the club programs. Thought we were talkin’ about an all enclusive State Series, not club or regional specific. One State series. Simply decide what rules/sanctioning and insurance. Then run the standard class structures and leave a opportunity for opens with a minimum to run. Give all the track owners an opportunity to schedule a race at their track, and yes at Unser if you want. I beleive it’s more important who can run vice where in the state.
If we (Colorado) really wants to get serious about growing the sport in the state, we need to come together, it won’t happen at the regional level being dictated to by folks that don’t even live here, for one thing, it’s cost prohibitive for many.
I’ve been in and around kart racing and the karting industry for over 40 years. It doesn’t need to be this difficult to sort out. In my humble opinion, I believe Craig is on the right course, get the Heroes and their families out, find a way to give the track owners an opportunity to integrate some rentals and at the same time expose all to a weekend of great racing with the great drivers we have in Colorado, let them see the pro drivers in actions.
Let’s do this!!!!!! :clap:
Respectfully,
Eddy
:coGents
Shouldn’t we answer the question, do we want a Colorado State run Series or something sanctioned and run by an outside the state group? :bang,
Believe Craig Mansfield had a good idea getting it started i.e. first year. Go back and look at his post on this thread.
Did I miss something? If it’s TAG USA, run by us (Colorado) all classes (shifter, TAGs/Rotax to include what the CJKC runs in the TAG USA local option rules, all are included. Basically the same structure as anyone (SKUSA, IKF, WKA) is running anywhere in the country.
Personally, I don’t care SKUSA, IKF, or TAG USA. I’m going to support it. Simply suggest if we want to encourage max participation and a true state series, we shouldn’t exclude anyone due to a must run a specific engine package. I plan on running a Leopard, PRD or ROK in Master, if that’s OK, I’ll be there as much as possible. Additionally, local option classes could be a minimum of 4. Think we did that back in the day and it worked.
Happy New Year!
Respectfully,
Eddy
:coStacey
Did my small part. Just yesterday applied for my 2013 SKUSA membership online, if the state series is going that way, :green I’ll be ready. Should be able to make all but the Miller race as long as there are no schedule conficts with the Colorado Kart Racing for Heroes events, which I have already commited to for 2013.
Respectfully,
Eddy
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