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I’ll be the first one in line at any kind of “alternative” class. I love the idea. Just was looking for some positive input instead of being told how wrong the idea was lol. Doesn’t really help the community expand when there’s always a factor elsewhere shutting any idea down.
I’d be down for an “open” class. Problem is, what if I decide I want to outspend you and run a methanol 4 cycle making 30hp? Are you going to have fun getting lapped 3 times a race? Are you going to pony up the money to run a hardcore 4 cycle? This was the entire idea behind the 206. No “builder” engines. No way to outspend the other drivers.
especially since I’m not aiming to get involved with the CKT’s tour at all. It’s th ultimate choice for anyone wanting to get into karting….but I know there’s a few out there scratching to possibly try something new.
If you’re not racing, then why worry? Go out, turn laps, have fun. Easy recipe.
Lookup the new KA100 IAME 100cc engine. 22hp, $1700 bucks with electric start.
I’d rather run it than Rotax.Then step up to a shifter if you want more power. But at 22hp and that price, it’s a logical step above the 206, and is becoming the replacement setup for old Yamaha classes.
Just FYI, those 206’s can also be stripped down, compared and determined that there is a 1 to 2 hp difference.
False. 2hp on a LO206 means you’re breaking the rules. You’ll get caught. Checkout the rulebook sometime…..you can’t mess with the cams, pistons, weights of reciprocating parts, or essentially blueprint them to make more power.
They are blueprinted from the factory.
if you had a bad experience with a “reputable builder”
I take it you’ve never run at the National Level with a “spec” motor. The big checkbooks can go buy 15-18 engines, slam together the best parts, and sell the rest. This is what has typically happened in the past with non-LO206 engines.
In response to your idea that a Blue Wazoom is a maxed out flat head, you are extremely incorrect on that. This is a mild build figuring these types of motors can be pushed to produce 30+ horsepower.
30+hp out of a flathead means methanol or nitromethane. These engines used to be called “Blue KABOOM” for a reason.
You aren’t getting 30hp out of one of these and making it last more than 1-2 races. Period.I can understand your concern about “adding more classes” but if you don’t plan on running the class or the series, please don’t bash on an idea. If a few people are diehard flathead fans, I’m sure they would love to possibly see this happen.
More power to ya. Just saying, running with 2-3 people in a class for an extra 2 horsepower doesn’t mean much. Hell, I’d run a box stock 206 against this engine just to prove it’s pointless to spend extra $$ for tenths.
By the way, on average this motor even with a rebuild is still cheaper than a brand-new 206 from a “reputable builder”
Really? I’d like to see you publish actual costs. A LO206’s “reputable builder” is the factory. The shortblock is $560 bucks from a factory technician using tolerance methods and a build sheet designed to keep everything equal. Not to keep you a tenth out front.
From what I read this Blue “Kaboom” costs $1000 bucks. I bet CHTs are a treat too (500F+).
Why don’t we just introduce an Open 4 cycle, Nitromethane Class with 30hp? And $4000 engines?
Just what we need. More classes 😕
I’ll stick to Lo206. Running Easykart, I figured out what a “Certified Builder” can do to these engines.
Buy 10, take them apart, match the pistons/rods, and boom you have a 1-2hp advantage with a “seal on it”.Also, this is a flathead motor taken to the max. No more 3-4 seasons before rebuilds.
If it were me, and I wanted to spend more money racing, I’d go 2-stroke. Or buy a World Formula.
“I have heard that 50 hours is the max on a LO206 engine”
In the 4-cycle forums I’ve heard a LOT more than that. How about 3500 hours?:)
Doug is spot on. Buy it from a local dealer and they’ll be happy to set it up. Podium….Brad up at IMI has a few I think.
It’s a robust package that is under-stressed and makes lots of torque with few revs (6100rpm max).
Think of it as a single cylinder baby Harley-Davidson engine (literally, it’s made in Milwaukee).
There are guys with 100,000+miles on their Twin Cam Harley motors. This follows the same sort of low stress environment.It’ll be a fun year in 2017. A lot of guys are digging out old chassis and slapping a Briggs LO206 on them.
@SubyKarter wrote:
Still available. Going up on eBay next week if not sold locally.
Hey there. Pretty interested. Is it up on Ebay now or still for sale locally?
@adam_kasick wrote:
nevermind… i thought it was cheaper.. i’ve been educated, and it’s not.
:newUnfortunately not cheaper. More badass? Probably! Some guys who ran them with success (12-15 years ago) said that for the younger guys at 315lbs, nothing was more fun to drive than those 80cc shifters.
Bilands on a harder tire as a spec class would have been the ultimate step. Those 250cc SOHC parallel twins sounded positively Ducati-like.
I think the biggest issue is that E85 is corrosive and fairly difficult on the rubber hoses that are associated with a lot of kart parts/carbs.
It’s a neat fuel for turbo cars because of it’s relative ability to resist knock and cool intake temp charges compared to gasoline.
I’m curious as well to anyone who has utilized this in modded shifters, etc. Seems that it would be a neat way to have some Biofuel companies partner with some events, etc. And it’s cheap!
@Greg Welch wrote:
Haha you couldn’t not make the electric ones understeer. Come check this place out, cool track, decent karts, and a really nice facility. I’d love to see more karters come down and tear it up.
Hell, I thought it was just me! I only did 2 sessions, but everytime I’d get on the power on the electric ones i was thinking “What the heck? Turn damnit!”
I’ll def be out there more in the coming months. Also looks like I will be back in TAG with a rotax this year…can’t wait.
@Eddy Wyatt wrote:
Chuck
Go to http://www.ppkrc.com and you will find many marketing opportunities through different levels of sponsorship.
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Eddy
for PPKRCThanks Eddy, appreciate it!
Nice kart! That GP stuff seems slick and the parts support from local guys I guess is great.
From what I hear, just re-ring that beast when needed and it won’t need a ton more. The CR125’s are great engines.
Just get out there and drive and learn setup 🙂
How are these compared to the electric karts?
I sucked ass at the electric ones, seems I kept making them understeer.
@Jeff Welch wrote:
@wacomme wrote:
Wow! IMI also sounds like an interesting option. OK. so out of the three choices, which one would be the best “first” track option? Keep in mind that we’ll be using the track’s rental karts. I want a track that will test my driving limits. I’ve done a little auto racing in the past, so I don’t want a kart where I hold the throttle to the floor for the entire lap. I really want a driving challenge. Thanks.
I guarantee that you’ll find any of the 3 tracks plenty challenging enough.
+1
If you want a challenge, see if Brad will rent you a Moto Shifter up at IMI. Way more physical than some Formula Continental’s i’ve raced….you’ll dig it.
