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PPKRC is not a promoter, it’s a club, with PPIR being our home track. We are supporting and growing the Southern Colorado market by providing a venue for southern Colorado Racers just like IMI and GJMS do for the north and west. Our goal along with PPIR is to eventually have a purpose built kart track underconstruction within the next few years to replace our former track (CRE). We are focusing on growing karting by creating the Youth Sponsored Racing League (YSRL), having a inclusive race series for all karters, developing new karters, and providing a new race venue for all karters. Our Club is supported by SCCA, NASA and the Pikes Peak International Hill Climb Assoication. Our Club is part of the PPIR ladder program that supports any racer that wants to start out in karting and move onto Legends, F2000, Spec racing, Vintage and so on, what other Track, Promoter or club offers that to any of the karters in Colorado. Larry the karting community made it clear that they wanted something new and we listened. PPKRC took the input and created that something new at a great venue, PPIR, our last race had nearly 70 karters participate and they made it clear that we were on the right track with our model. PPKRC encourages every karter in Colorado to support as many tracks, promoters, clubs, local kart shops, and tunners as you can. We are focused on growing karting by being as positive as possible about our sport and trying to bring young and old folks into it. What’s driving folks away from karting is the negative stuff, rumors, lack of real facts, until we all start to support each other, your right 150-200 will disappear because we screwed it all up by not listening to the racers and the racers not supporting the Tracks, promoters, local kart shops and clubs. We can then just sit and look at our karts in the garage wondering what happened. Race where you want, but race and be positive when talking to those who want to get into karting. I’ve raced in one form or another since I was five years old and never seen a motorsports community less supportive and negative as the karting community, this needs to change and soon for the best, it only takes a few to be negative, and ruin it for all the rest. I hope others will read this and the karters who do support karting in Colorado regardless of who they support start to speak out. We need to understand the fact that no one person has all the right answers when it come to Karting, and that everyone has the right to a opinion, but let’s share that opinion in positive way.
Remember, you can run any tire you want at our races, if you want to gain points in our club you need to run the MAAXIS tires. I suggest you buy a set to see what we found out about the MAAXIS tire. Talk to Robby Mott at RIBTECH who is the national distributor of the MAAXIS tire, and see how he did when racing the MAAXIS tire against the MOJO and MG Yellows. After many conversations about this topic its about 50-50 on this move. What we heard last year is that the Karting community wanted a new venue to race at, open tire, fun and safe environment and a national points series for the club members. What we have had to deal with is the higher price of track rental and to offset it we need to have either 70 plus racers every weekend or find a way to offset the difference in rental cost by finding a means to make up the difference. So we found a solution, keep the open tire for those who only race a few times with us and no points, and for those who want to support the PPKRC, keep the venue at PPIR a viable one, use the MAAXIS tire to help offset track rental cost. With any Series you need to choose a tire and go with it. Trying to keep everyone happy has been a challenge to say the least, some what only MOJO’s, some what only MG Yellow’s some say use what SKUSA is using, I myself would like just only one tire. There’s a reason each series picks a tire and that is to make enough extra money to offset the cost of putting on the race. Most track owners will tell you that they don’t make really any money putting on races, in some case they lose revenue. It’s expensive to put on a race, after some of the conversations I’ve had recently with folks it’s apparent that some didn’t realize the cost to put on a race, they just show up and expect everything to be just perfect for little or no cost. When you show up at these tracks around Colorado I beleive most of us take for granted what it takes to put on a race and make it as safe and competitive as possible. I know that Jim, Brad, Stacey, SKUSA, CJKC and PPKRC do our best to provide an atmoshpere that most will enjoy at a affordable price, knowing that each has its own business challenges in todays environment. We as racers are also challenged by the economics of today, where do we race, how much will it cost to go there, what fuel will I use, what tire do I need to buy, what is the enrty fee. A decision was made to go to pump gas by several venues in order to save on cost, and yes it has an effect on tuning along with what tire you use. We followed with the fuel decision, and considered what tire to use at PPIR, the harder tire compound seems to work the best and the next best thing to a MOJO was the MAXXIS HG3 and the MH for the shifter/Fourstrokes. The savings on tires for some is considerable at about $50 when you consider there is no shipping cost when you buy directly from us at $175 a set. Just like with any tire you get in a rotation of tires once you purchase the first set. Again if you are running all six races at PPIR its makes sense and is much cheaper to race with the pump gas and MAAXIS tires, it you only race a few times then run your tires that you run at any of the other tracks. Bottom line we all buy new tires everytime we race anyway, so you either spend $175 a set or $212 a set, its you pocket book. As far as set up on the kart we didn’t see much difference at all when we ran the MG Yellow against the MAAXIS MH and very little difference with the HG3.
Roger Miller
PPKRCGentlemen
I’m surprised at the quick response to the tire PPKRC has chosen to race at PPIR. Part of our mission as a non-profit 501 3c is to provide a affordable race for our club members. As a racer I was not aware of the cost to put on a race until we formed PPKRC and had to address the cost of Track rental at PPIR. Without saying how much it cost to rent PPIR, its expensive to say the least. Until someone stands up and sponsors a portion of the rental cost, we have been put into a position of offsetting cost. A win-win was to look at how we could keep the entry fees down, find a way to offset the increase in rental cost at PPIR and find a tire that we could use that was less expensive. We along with Jim are allowing folks to use pump gas in order to reduce overall cost to the racer. You are more then welcome to race any tire you want in our series, but will not recieve points if you don’t join PPKRC and use the MAAXIS tire. Next time before over reacting please call either Eddy or myself to better understand the process we went through. As one of you mentioned, this type of conversation without truly understanding the facts is want is causing karting to be screwed up by a few with miss information. I now have a better understanding why all the Track owners and promoters feel the way they do, can’t seem to please anyone, even if we listen when folks are crying about the cost. Please come and attend our Club meeting on April 9th at 9:00 at PPIR and find out what is really going on. Joe to answer your question about how many tires you need to buy, It’s only one if you race with us all six races and want points to be applied at the end of season. And Butler shame on you for thinking that We are trying to create another Kingpin, I’m racing at all the tracks this year and buying whatever tire they use at that track and supporting that series without questioning why or how they run their program or business. Please send me and email at [email protected] to discuss or help sponsor a race. We have had great response from our club members about reducing cost and using the less expensive MAAXIS tires and using pump gas. When it comes right down to it, the challege of setting up a kart for either a track or tire comes every time you race at a new track, thats half the fun of racing. You might just find out that the MAAXIS tire isn’t much different then the MOJO or MG, just a whole lot less expensive. So if I use either one of your logic, it would mean that neither of you will be racing at any of the tracks this year beacuse that track or promoter made a business decision that allows it to stay in business, and without that business decison being made, we as racer may not have any place to race because they will be out of business. We made a business decision based on input from the racing community about cost and wanting to stay in business while providing a safe, fun and affordable environment for our CLUB members. Bring what you have and race it. We are still inclusive!!Roger Miller
PPKRCPPKRC runs at PPIR and has 6 races this year, three in the infield and three in the autocross lot. We have classes for everyone, no need to sell your equipment. We are running pump gas and a maaxis tire that is $30-$40 cheaper, between the tire and fuel savings you save enough for your entry fee. We even have ROTAX’s in our club along with Four Strokes and tag karts. We are an inclusive club that welcomes everyone from all over Colorado. Check out our web site at http://www.ppkrc.com
Bob and Ron, this is from the Vampire guys you met at GMJS, Curt’s right you kick our butts not only in the Tag masters but also the Four strokes. We’d like to see you come down this weekend to PPIR to run with us and settle the Four Stroke thing down there. We appreicated what Curt did for the four strokes guys, and hope it didn’t take a way from Ron placing first in either the Tag Masters or the Four Stroke class. Either way Ron did a great job on the track. PPKRC has a open class mainly made up of four strokes and we plan on running even more races at IMI next year to give Ron some competition. Curt’s right Ron has the talent to move to shifter and would do really well, not that we wnat to see him abandon the four stroke either. Curt, No good deed goes unpunished.
Roger Miller
President, PPKRC
[email protected]Stacey, what a great weekend of racing at GJMS. For those who missed it, sorry. The rest of us had a great time. GJMS, Curt and SKUSA did a great job running a safe race. The border wars race was fun to participate in and watch. Hopefully Colorado shows up in big numbers next year at Miller Motor Sports Park and brings back the trophy. The Geezer race was a hoot to race in, thanks to Butler Cox for setting that up. Can’t wait to sit down with you and the others to discuss next year and how we all can work together to make schedules and racing more fun for ALL karters.
PPKRC plans on bringing over at least three Vampires, not the kind with teeth, driven by what could be considered old Farts when it comes to their bodies, ( Justin 40, Roger 48, and really old Lee Siegel) we run in the Open Class with PPKRC at the PPIR and with the DD2’s at The Track. Hopefully you’ll have some room for use. We’re trying to get some of the dads and others to travel with us to your race. We have the Octoberfest Race the following weekend at PPIR, $35 for two days of racing at PPIR, you guys should come join us, warm garages and full power, Free Food and Free Beer Saturday Night. No charges for Camping, just for Electric at Camp site. We have a class for everyone.
Roger Miller
President, PPKRCAnthony- On behalf of PPKRC – we agree!! The Karting community needs to come together to not only support Grand Junction and Stacey/Family, but also all tracks and Clubs. We need to focus on the positive aspects of this sport, having fun!! We as a club will be supporting GJ along with every other track in the state in as many ways as we can. Look forward to see everyone at GJ.
