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Allow for at least one drop per series. If we had that this year there would have been more racers in the hunt for a title. If there are 9 races next year, maybe have 2 drops.
Lower the weight of the senior/heavy class to 395. There was no one that entered the class as a heavy driver this season and the rest of us suffered all year lifting our karts on/off the stands (just ask the guys working the scales at Steamboat 😯 )
Lets try to have one race director for all CSC races maybe even the same flag man/woman. (I know this one will be tough but I thought I would throw it out there anyway)
Rain rules need to be hard & fastThing that are just fine:
Keep the tire rule just as it is! It works fine!
ICC & motos can live happily togetherThis is just a start, lets put our heads together & make next year even better!
Personally, I’d like to see CSC create an A-Team to handle CSC race event operations. I think we need:
Race Director
Safety Director
Tech Director
Head Flagman
Timing/Scoring DirectorI also think we should increase the number of events to 3/track and S-Boat with 2 drops. If George changes his mind (unlikely) I’d say leave it at 2/track w/ 2 drops.
Any other suggestions?
PS: In case anybody is wondering, I will not fill any of the positions I mentioned. I’ve been officiating for 3 years and that’s long enough. I wanna race, dammit!
_________________My 2-cents,
A special congrats to Brad, Jb, The Cooks, Doug (Shockwave) and Angie. You all did one heck of a job. Yes there are others who deserve a mention-Rusty, the GJ Girls, Bobby/Wife, Ian, Chaz, The Announcer, etc.
1. Must have a tech program: I also wonder about some of these motors.
2. An “A” Team: which will lead to a faster run program
3. Keep it to just Colorado Tracks: Traveling is just too expensive.
4. Try to get CRE in the fold, but don’t push it. George you need to be in this!
5. At S-boat: get the community a little more active: A community celebrity race; community booths; rentals at the track for the community; para-glider to bring in the US Flag
6. Wrap up those bale covers and put more bales all around the track not tires.
7. Resurface the depressions in the parking lot. There were only 2 or 3 sections.
6. Schedule the CSC so it doesn’t conflict with club races. Schedule this series first, then club races around it.
7. If CRE doesn’t want in, try to get a street race at:
Denver Grand Prix
or
Estes park8. Yes have ONE throw out race.
9. Don’t schedule the final at S-Boat any later than the first week after Labor Day.
Great Weekend-Great Race-Great People-Great Weather
It is always that way in God’s Country—COLORADO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
😀 😉Opps the last post was me:
Assuming this discussion is going to transition from the EKN site let’s please be civil and leave the politics out.
The whole idea behind the CSC was to put together a series that utilized all the tracks available and provide a diverse schedule that let everyone race at those tracks. Minimal but consistent rules and classes that included just about anybody with a motor.
It worked.
Do we want to re invent the wheel? I don’t think so.
Let’s keep the concentration and suggestions along those lines and make this even better next year.
I never would have thought this would come together when it was proposed less than a year ago. In one sit down meeting at the first of the year three track operators sat down and hashed out the basics. picked dates, tried not to conflict w/ known national dates and came up with classes that seemed to fit this region.
It is not IKF,SKUSA,STARS,WKA or any other organization. It is just our series for our karters without all the other politics.
Let’s try to keep it that way.
The ideas I have seen are pretty much all workable, so keep them coming.
The “A” team idea is great. Who wants to volunteer?
Throw outs. No problem.
Work around dates. If possible.
Run a fair, fun series. Always.Rusty
Hi all – Welcome! and thanks for moving your discussion over here to The Colorado Karter. I am glad to see everyone excited about next year’s series, and getting all of these ideas out so soon. I am planning on staying involved, and being a part of this thing again next year, and beyond.
I haven’t heard anyone talking much about the class list for next year. Same classes? dropping any? Adding any? Are these 12 what everyone wants? Who is changing classes for next year? Maybe we should see what people are planning on running next year?
I definitely agree that we need a rulebook. I have offered to take the notes and put it into print, and on the website. Like has been said before, even though we run by loose IKF and SKUSA specs, there are variations, and not all of the rules are readily available. I think that even if we are running by those rules, we need to put it in our own format, and everyone needs to have one. Then there are no excuses. Yes, there will always be someone that will find and abuse the gray areas, or loopholes. I feel the majority of our racers (and I hope I am right) want to race fair. Then there is the issue of doing post race tech to enforce those rules.
Oh, I have more on my list, but have to get the kids off to bed.
Thank you everyone for all of your kind words and support. It has been a busy season, I have learned an incredible amount about the sport, and gotten to know a really great bunch of racers, and sponsors, and track owners, etc. It is clear to see that we are all (ok, the majority anyway) on the same page as far as having a good, competitive, fun, safe series. Keep the ideas flowing!
Thanks,
AngieCongratulations to all of the 2003 winners!!
I agree with a post earlier on getting more local participation in Steamboat. A celebrity race would be great to watch and would probably get more local participation ($).
I also wonder if we couldn’t do something with the Denver Grand Prix race….although I believe the race weekend fell on the same date as the RIGP which would be a tough choice for some.
Here are some numbers for George:
Average participation at CSC: 100
Average Participation at CRE: 35so….if 2 races were held at CRE that would be approx. 200 racers there and you have to assume that 15 of the regulars at CRE would race in the CSC series for atleast 6 of the 7 remaining races at other tracks which would leave CRE with 20 for their normal race weekend. If you can follow the math, then that would leave basically a zero sum gain / loss for CRE. In my mind that’s not a bad proposition since George would gain recognition from karters and some probably would enjoy the track enough to run a few club events. In my mind there is nothing to lose and everything to gain.
1. I for one would like to see the series stay at 7 races, 9 max. With the weak economy, many of us just flat can not afford to race more. While I greatly enjoy it, too many races burns people out of money. I think our two visits to each track and Steamboat made for one of the most enjoyable seasons of racing we have ever had. If the series was expanded to 12 or more races, it would kill the local programs.
2. No drops. We would have greatly benifited from having a drop this year. Greg would have won the 80 class and Jeff would have been 2nd in the pro class instead of 2nd and 3rd respectively. However, we were not racing for the championship but rather for the enjoyment of racing. I think the championship should go to the racers who were most dedicated to the series and the ones most dedicated to the series are the ones that do all the races.
3. The series needs a tech director and a race director so that there are consistant decisons made at each race. I heard many concerns about cheating but in all actuality, I think very little went on and what did was very minor. The reason I say that is in some of the instances people brought to me about cheating, the supposed cheater must not have been cheating enough because they couldn’t beat karts that I know were not cheating. But of course, the question quickly comes up, who pays for it and who do we get?
4. The series should stay an all Colorado series. We all like to travel but more than 3-4 hours gets old real fast.
5. Classes. Would fewer classes rise participation in other classes or drive some out. A class where only 2 ot 3 show up is hardly a class. Maybe its time to retire those karts.
I don’t know how long pre-tech took at these events, but I usually find this process just takes longer than I’d like. I understand it’s important but I think it can be improved. I’d like to see a tech sheet developed that can be given to each racer when they register at a track so they know what items will be teched. Further, I’d like to see a process where your kart can be pre-teched in advance, maybe up to 10 days in advance at any of the tracks that participate in the CSC. I think the karter should have to at least pay for a days practice/test and tune to get early tech.
@Doug Welch wrote:
3. The series needs a tech director and a race director so that there are consistant decisons made at each race. I heard many concerns about cheating but in all actuality, I think very little went on and what did was very minor. The reason I say that is in some of the instances people brought to me about cheating, the supposed cheater must not have been cheating enough because they couldn’t beat karts that I know were not cheating. But of course, the question quickly comes up, who pays for it and who do we get?
This is a must. I think the officers I mentioned are important, too, but we need a RD and TD before we get the others.
Tech will be the hardest. The person best suited to the job would have to have more than a passing familiarity with the engines in use. The TD would have to have a thorough knowledge of the specs for each motor. The TD would have to be “neutral” – not directly affiliated with any of the motor builders or suppliers in the area. The TD would have to be equiped with the tools needed to determine conformity. Most importantly the TD would have to be at every race. It a big enough job that the TD may have to call on 1 or 2 assitants to ensure that tech goes quickly.
This would have to be a paid position. No question about it. And as Doug points out, who pays for it? Where will this money come from?
We HAVE to have this, though. The other positions too, but these two people, the RIGHT people, are imperetive.
that last post was mine.
@Anonymous wrote:
that last post was mine.
That’s Chaz.
Something wrng with the log in?
Chaz,
I have been trying to figure this one out. If I leave it so that I am automatically logged in each time, I don’t have problems, but if I log in each time, sometimes it takes a second try to log in. I don’t know if I can fix this, I will work on it. Like I said, if you check the box to automatically sign in each time, then there shouldn’t be a problem. Sorry about that.
keep the good ideas going!!
angie 8)
It’s great to hear all the suggestions , please type them out in triplicate if you want your ideas to be considered .
Since it is obvious that we will again have just the three tracks to be included you should know that the Bandimere track will be improved (bumps are slated to be removed before the snow flies) , More asphalt to be laid , one more pit lane , AND the track will be run backwards soon!
The walls are up on our new building ,electric and paint is scheduled later this week — looks like we will be warm this winter , c’mon out take a look around !
regards , J.B.I hope that the absense of the out of state racers on the final points standings is NOT an indication that we will not be allowed to race for points next year in the CSC????
The classes and rules are just fine as they were this year, maybe a printed rule book (or sheet) or just a PDF so that they can be downloaded, you can just put in references to SKUSA rules for the more obivious things like pre tech safety checked items, carb measuring etc.
we had a great time racing with you all at Steamboat and look forward to next year!
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