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I agree with Brad, its good to get this junk out in the open so racers can really see where the road block is. I have said all along that I would love for the CSC to go to CRE. I like the track. However, its hard to work with someone like George who all through his paranoid delusions calls people thiefs, insists there is a long list of people who have cheated him when in fact it is just the opposite. He states that I won’t take my kids to Brad’s track because its unsafe yet we raced there 3 times this year. He is just one lie after another and such lies need to be exposed. Brad, Stacey, J.B and a whole host of others are working together to make next season bigger than the last. Next year, Colorado could well have a state wide series that is the envy of the country.
Oh man that last George war on EKN was the funniest thing I have ever seen, I would stay up late just to read the war of words. That was some funny $#!^
And so are the days of our lives…………another year of karting, another year of animosity. 🙄 This will be my 15th year of karting and I’ve come to expect this kind of s*%# storm every season. I’m glad to see karting grow in our area inspite of all the BS. JB, Brad and Stacy I’m looking forward to the next season of CSC and keep up the good work.
Josh Ferguson
J-Tech I.M.Holy cow, what a thread.
Some good insights and some bad. I think we should just drop this thread and think about the 2004 CSC and make it better so other regions take note of the Colorado TAG boys!
I just hate politics in racing. I just want to race, enjoy the fellowship and be competitive.
It’s a great sport and it’s racing!
Good luck to ALL the track owners and the direction that each take.
😀Now that this thread has simmered down (Thank God), I’d like to recap.
I started this thread in attempt to nip a potentially serious issue in the bud as it were. The Sonik engine has been on a probational status with TaG USA and there was, and perhaps still is the possibility (albeit now small) that the motor won’t get to the approved list in time for the ’04 season.
My intention was not to cause trouble for present or future Sonik owners. Rather, it was to avoid it. I know most, if not all the people currently running or planning on running the Sonik. I consider most of those people my friends. I have no desire to see them excluded from competition especially because of mismanagement in an area of the industry we have no real control over – like a distributor/importer not getting paperwork in on time. If things worked out that way, it would place Sonik owners in a real pickle – at least where strict adherance to TaG USA rules are concerned. I don’t care so much about TaG USA as I do the racing here in Colorado and wouldn’t stand for my firends getting weenied out of a racing season because somebody outside of our sphere of influence screwed up. I’m enough of a cynic to believe that a worst-case scenario could happen, and concerned enough to bring up the issue now in the hopes of averting a disaster.
So I posed the question: what would we do? That was my original intent with starting this thread. Fortunately AJ came forward say they had a copy on the engine’s specs. With that we could formulate tech standards for that engine, and with some comparative dyno work, come up with a reasonable weight penalty (if one was needed at all). So that’s fantastic! Thanks to AJ for making his information known.
The downside to the thread was the fact that it so rapidly degraded into something both off-topic and mean-spirited. A classic Colorado, Mile-High Pissing Match.
Winning a CSC championship fair and square would be a great achievement. Winning it because a particular engine package and some of the top competitors in the state were politiked out of competetion would be empty and meaningless. Implying that such was my intent (which GD did directly or indirectly and that’s how I took it) makes me a bit………..angry. It spoke directly to my character and integrity. I may not have either in great quantities, but I’d like to hang on to what little I may have.
Since my accident, hospitalization, and the judgement that getting back into a kart would not be in my or my family’s best interest (at least for the forseeable future), I’ve been working real hard to come up with a reason, the juice as it were, to stay in Colorado kart racing. That’s not to say that an incident like this gives me a reason to walk, but it does beg the question, what’s the real point here? Is it about racing or is it about something else? If it is something else, I’d prefer to be left out of it, because I got into this for the racing.
I may be sorry i posted this, but I just wanted to get that off my chest.
Chaz, Since we are an “outlaw” series I don’t see that it would have been a big hassle if the SONIK for some reason was not included in the official TAG list of engines for the coming year. Barring some wierd new modifications why could it not just be grandfathered or just plain included as we did last year? If anything, we do just like last year at the drivers meeting and come up w/ an acceptable weight and go racing. Does not take care of the problem nationally but it sure doesn’t exclude them in their own series.
Rusty
I dont know where you heard the Sonik would not be approved. Sounds like someone ( _ _ ) is tring to start some @$#% out in CO. You Sonik guys dont have anything to worry about. The motor is already approved, just needs to be reviewed. So dont let that stop you from buying one. Hate for the person who did, to pass you all the time.
Frec.
Frec, no one tried to start anything, there were questions to the legality of the motor for 2004, and up untill recently, no one had come forward saying they had the specs and the motor was under review. Now AJ and Sonik importer have went to the effort to get this taken care of and it will probably be legal anyway. Besides, the CSC would have legalized it for our series just becuase there are a few out here and looking for competition. I hope that it is clear to use for 2004, it is a good motor, other then a Parilla, a sonik would be my other motor choice if thats what it came too.
Oh yeah, there are probably a bunch of things that could be done. Without a spec document for the motor, it would have been…..difficult. Most likely, someone would have had to take a brand new motor, right out of a factory box, and measure up the engine (bore,stroke, port dimensions, port timing (?) head volume and shape, piston, rig, and whatever else was necessary to build a tech procedure for that engine. Not an impossibility, but who ya gonna get to do it and who would sacrifice a brand-new motor – even temporarily?
Fortunately that point is moot.
Coming up with weights (which may also be a non-issue) would require more that a driver’s meeting. If we end up with a worst-case scenario where the the Sonik doesn’t make deadline (only our new friend Frec, whoever that is, seems to have inside info on that) and doesn’t get national eligibility with TaG USA. Some dyno time could be arranged for the 4 motors we currently see here and fair weighting derived from that. The class will be too big and too competetive to just figure it out one night at a drivers’ meeting. If we thow up something arbitrary and it doesn’t work out, changing weight rules mid-season would be resisted, and to a degree, would be pointless. Better, I think, to do some work ahead of time, IF WE HAVE TO, and do it right. It will most likely become the premier class of the series, so we owe it to the competitors to do it right.
And agian, ONLY IF WE HAVE TO. If all goes well, TaG USA will get what they need in short order, and produce a document outlining their findings and recommended weights for ’04. And with any luck at all, everything will stay the same and all we need to worry about is where do we show up and when.
Oh, and what sick pictures Brad’s going to have on his laptop this year 🙄
Which brings me to another point, and perhaps AJ can shed some more light. IAME produces a couple tools for teching the Leopard. There’s a pass/fail tool for the ports and one for the head. I know such tools aren’t strictly necessary, but they do make life easier for tech officials. Does Sonik have such gadgets available?
@Rusty Newberry wrote:
Chaz, Since we are an “outlaw” series I don’t see that it would have been a big hassle if the SONIK for some reason was not included in the official TAG list of engines for the coming year. Barring some wierd new modifications why could it not just be grandfathered or just plain included as we did last year? If anything, we do just like last year at the drivers meeting and come up w/ an acceptable weight and go racing. Does not take care of the problem nationally but it sure doesn’t exclude them in their own series.
Rusty
@chazilla wrote:
Oh, and what sick pictures Brad’s going to have on his laptop this year 🙄
Please don’t remind us about those. 😯
@Dane Buckley wrote:
@chazilla wrote:
Oh, and what sick pictures Brad’s going to have on his laptop this year 🙄
Please don’t remind us about those. 😯
I’ll try not to. THose were some veryy ill pix.
I’m the one that got blamed for them.
Chaz, Good Question, I will look into that for you. And for the sake of looking smug myself. THANK YOU TO ALL THAT MADE THE CSC. Look forward to bigger and better next year.
A.J. Noud
I have just received a package of pictures from chaz’s boy scout leader that I will show at the meeting along with the the beach shots of JB in a speedo.
I know,
This is digression and off-topic but………
@blink wrote:
I have just received a package of pictures from chaz’s boy scout leader that I will show at the meeting along with the the beach shots of JB in a speedo.
Those must be the picture of me and the Moose I killed, armed with only a bayonet in each hand. I hope too, there’s the one of the mad dog I hit with a pool stick and shot 5 times before it hit the ground. I have an action shot of me winning the South St. Louis County (MN) Projectile Vomiting Championship (Distance and Accuracy) at 16 ft 7 inches. I could also donate a sentimental favorite – my prom picture where I went with Susan Sarandon (GREAT night). There’s the artist’s rendition of me standing atop a temple pyramid, dressed in the robes of an Mayan Sun God, surrounded by naked women who are screaming and throwing little pickles at me. I also have video footage of me teaching Steve Irwin how to handle deadly, venomous snakes, and pick up American women.
Thje list goes on and on. A shot of me discussing race strategy with Mario Andretti and Ronnie Peterson at Monza in ’76. A copy of the letter I sent to Colin Chapman at Lotus suggesting the concept that came to be known as “Ground Effects” and his reponse thanking me. I also have an autogrphed 8×10 color glossy of Jimmy Page thanking me for sitting in for him (without credit) on “Houses of the Holy” cos he was too stoned to play.
I also have several B&W’s of me wrestling and pinning Pampiro Firpo, the Mad Bull of the Pampas, inside two minutes in an electrified cage match (Pain on the Plains) held in Ogalala NE in 1974.
JB in a speedo? Yeah. That might be good for some comic relief.
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