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Who does drops help and who does it hurt?
It helps guys who are not commited to the series.
It helps the guys who have a bad day.It hurts the guys who show up at each event. A few years ago, Adrain Carrio won the most races (3) and had more podium finishes (6) than anyone in his class. He came in second in the championship. Adrain had to drop a 3rd place finish, the whinner dropped a DNF. Ace got screwed because of drops.
It hurts the promoter as racers skip races. They justify it by saying, “I’ll just take that race as a drop.” Can you imagine what would happen the count if it was a 5 race series with one drop. Both Grand Junction and Action karting would be hurt.
Drops are for 12 race club series. A limited regional series should have no drops. Lets find out who’s good over the stretch and under pressure.
The following is a typical sarcastic remark from me not intended to slam anyone but rather a flimsy attempt at humor. So I will appologize to Dave before he reads this. If we’re racing for fun, then the championship doesn’t mean anything any way.
@Rich Vito wrote:
Jr. are much too fast, ……., are wreck prone……….
I don’t remember ever seeing a red flag in Tag Junior but I do remember seeing several over the years in Tag Master.
Doug,
You must have missed some, because i remenber because I was in those races. The Jrs were the cause.
In F1 during the 80’s they had the “drop” schedule. Carrio was in the same position as Alain Prost and he too lost the championship.
I personally HATE racing on Memorial day weekend and Mother’s Day. But I’ll use it as a drop if I am allowed.
But another reason to point out is this: two guys are close in points for the championship. One punts the other one off and preserves his championship. And don’t say it doesn’t happen. Schummi did it twice in the 90’s and won one championship (over Damon Hill) and lost a championship (to Jacques Villenueuve) That said, I’d rather have 5 and no drop.
Run the TaG Jr’s with us I don’t care. But I’d like to have a waiver from parents acknowledging that their kids are racing adults and racing is racing. We’ll be the moving obstacles since their times are faster. Does it matter if they have an accident with an adult vs. a kid?
Wow, I really don’t know where to start here. As far as the drops. I was talking about schedule conflicts family emergencies etc. I really don’t care about the racing incidents reagardiing drops. That is gong to happen. Doug and Kurt your math does not add up. If you take care of business you will win. Sure Kyle Ray had some problems, it could of been you, God forbid it still might be. You can’t control that 100 %. You just try to be prepared the best you can. To say drops help the people that are not committed is foolish. We are just rookies this year, but one thing I learned is if you are not 100 % committed you will not do very well. As far as comparing us with NASCAR that is just foolish. Why would Bandimere and Grand Juntion be hurt with drops. Grand Junction had two races and I made the trip 5 times. Two practices and a club race. Why would Bandimere be hurt, because it is a rough track, because it is to technical. We drove on tracks that I feel were more rougher than Bandi. As far as I am concerned Bandi has the best customer service of any track. If I need help or a part they are there. We would not be racing if I did not have the help of Bandi. We are an independant team and don’t have the luxury of unlimited parts of the larger teams at the track. Thats fine not complaining but to bash Bandi or GJ is unfair for what ever reasons. If someone chooses not to race those races they are not serious anyway. I for one love Bandi as I think it does teach you alot and they have never not solved a problem that I ever had. If we want to grow the sport should we not promote that ? Several drivers have cut their teeth there including nationally ranked Mark Elliott. I am very grateful for what Bandi has tought us and will always support them and any other track that is involved in the CSC. The fact is we are racers and I think that anyone that is running for the championship are racers too. So I will go out on a limb here and be differant and say maybe we don’t have enough races. If we are committed lets have more. (little sarcasm here.) Lastly, I think you made the best point Doug with your sarcasm. The fact is everyone is racing for fun. But lets be honest with each other. There are different levels. Some people truly race for fun, some people are racing and are trying to win for sponsership and some have aspirations of racing for a career. Some people spend a few thousand dollars and some spend hundreds of thousands. Track owners are trying to make a living and so are chasi companies and part companies. There is nothing wrong with that. So for us to make a fashionable statement that we are just racing for fun and the Championchip really does not matter is not really fair. I don’t know what the answer is. I really don’t. But I will tell you one thing. If we don’t put personal agendas aside and look out for the good of the CSC as a whole we will be nothing. It will just be another Champ car IRL scenario. I am not trying to step on anyones toes here. But I feel there is a lot of noice out there some warranted some not. The bottom line is if your at the race track putting your time in and trying to be the best you can be then you voice has weight. As for us we are racers and hopefully we will be around for along time. Whether there are 5. 6. 7 or 10 races drops no drops we will be there no matter what track. Additionally, I have made some great freinds and look forward to seeing everyone at the races. The weekends that we don’t race I really miss it. Not only the racing but the people. I feel we could be the best organization in Colorado. Lets have the rest of the Country try to model off of us. Lastly on the Tag Jr comments, look at the qualifying times and watch the races. I might be a litlle bias here but I am not sure that it is not the most competive division out there. So to all the tag Jr drivers, I am proud to run you. Ok I am done. See you at The Track. :cheers:
Dave Zippie
Well, on the topic of combining classes, let me say this. Take a look at the American LeMans Series. They run four different classes on track at once, and the speed difference from LMP1 (fastest) to GT2 (slowest) is pretty significant. This obviously means a ton of cars on track at once, but it also means some pretty exciting racing happens, IMO. 8) It can comepletely change any given situation/strategy sometimes, and there’s plenty of overtaking action.
Granted, Karts are a completely different story…there’s not nearly the room on a kart track as on a big track like Road America or Sarthe. Just some food for thought, though. 🙂
Dave,
Nobody is bashing Bandi. I am sure we all have the same opinion of the staff and their customer service, and best rest rooms on the CSC tour bar none.
Let’s just use The Track at Centennial for instance. Jim has the last race of a 9 race series this season, with two drops allowed. If many of our classes have been decided by that time, even if you podium or win, what makes everyone show up? If it’s a little cold or marginal weather, the 2006 racing budget is in the tank, the motor is tired or whatever else you can possibly use as an excuse, it’s not fair to Keesling. He should have the same 125+ that other tracks got during the season. Just one example. Steamboat used to be our last race back in the day and the exapmle I just stated really hurt that weekend.
Keep an open mind and I hope your class has at least 20 racers week after week next year. It’s better racing and carries larger rewards.
Hopefully the CSC can release the 2007 schedule prior to Feb. and we can all find a way to make it fit into our other lifes.Kurt,
You make a great point. So maybe to get around that last race of the year drop, maybe we say no drops last 3 races or last 2 races etc I agree lets all have open minds. Lets think outside the box and I am sure the powers at be will make the best decisions.
Dave Zippie
I would think that a drop would keep more racers in the points chase and increase the participation in the final race. Racers who had a bad race and missed a race, would be more likely to stay home than a points leader that had the championship wrapped up if the weather turned bad.
I would like to have a 6 race schedule. GJ 2 races, IMI, The Track, Bandi, and Steamboat or Greeley. Greeley only if a track can be designed without the risks of that south strait. 2 races at GJ to increase participation from th west slope karters.
Bill
Mike: Does it matter if they have an accident with an adult vs. a kid?
Heck yes! usually it is a bone head move by a kid that causes the accident due to the wide differential in speed. the result is expensive and I don’t like expensive when it is a stupid move.
Most of the kids are good drivers but there are some who show no fear and chance too many things.
Nobody is bashing anybody on this thread, it is just we ALL have different racing abilities and thusly different racing desires (pro, recreational, up-and -coming) therefore different racing venues (club, CSC, Pro circuit, or just playing).
The tough goal is to MEET and GROW THOSE!.
The how is what we are brainstorming on. 😀
Dug Welch said,
and further screwed up by Todd Bellow when he was tech director
Expand on what you think specifically was screwed up. I always operated above the board and WITHIN my abilities and WITH IN the constraints of trying to operate a business and also dealing with an already existing rule set. Ask anyone I’ve ever met in CO and ask if I was never anything but helpful and fair as I could be, being a race official is not easy(especially in CO) and I had to make hard decisions on occasions but I always made them without biased. So I’m willing to answer any specific issue there could possibly be.
Thanks,
ToddDoug did make some other good points. For a regional series the CSC is one of the most successful, and CO is a great place to have a Kart. There are a lot of great tracks. So be proud.
Also, having a consistent crew is a good idea, but that will cost more money. And it’s not a little, to shuffle a crew around and pay them, house them, feed them, pay for travel is expensive. This is maybe a feature national organizations can supply.
Thanks for piping in Todd. You did an awsome job here and throughout your time with SKUSA. I like the way the rules are written, and changed when necessary.
Like Stacey said, hope all is well in Toddville.
PS CO Karters. Back to the drop/no-drop math. When Angie releases the chart showing drops, tell me who really gets hurt. The ones going on vacation, or the ones going to each and every event.
If it’s a 9 race schedule and you choose to race in the CSC, then race all 9 or don’t complain about your championship being jepordized.@Curt Kistler wrote:
PS CO Karters. Back to the drop/no-drop math. When Angie releases the chart showing drops, tell me who really gets hurt. The ones going on vacation, or the ones going to each and every event.
If it’s a 9 race schedule and you choose to race in the CSC, then race all 9 or don’t complain about your championship being jepordized.Ok, Iv’e been scratching my head over this and still don’t see what the big deal is. The fast guys are still going to show it in there point standings in the long run. It seems to me, the better drivers are going to consistantly post higer scores – if EVERYONE drops there 2 lowest scoring races (including DNR’s), it’s still a level playing field right? The guys who turn out for every race (and they should be commended for that) are still going to be posting scores reflective of there level of driving.
Seems the dops free up the schedual for the karter – that’s all I see
ok, get out the flame throwers 😉
P.S. Just checked out the results after drops – I’m not seeing how the new math changes anything… Yes, if your gonna run a 9 race series – be commited to run the nine races – but it’s nice to have some flexibility for other things – this isn’t Indy here…
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