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Jack,
They have a class for you. It’s the V1/2.http://www.prokartchallenge.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15
Those guys were the main event at Santa Maria and had a blast.
In the continued effort of positive constructive discussion: Could the CSC combine the TaG Masters and Tag Juniors in the same heat? Leave the Seniors race for the hotshoes (as a sorta-varsity level). More karts, more passing for the masters and kids? Thoughts?
Where do rules come from? Sometimes, I think out of thin air based on how much sense they make!
ICC They come from the CIK
Built moto Originally writen by Gary LaPoint and IKF. Later, revised by Gary and JR Clasen for SKUSA. This was long before PKC
Spec Honda, Orginally from JR Clasen when he was director of SKUSA Mission region (SoCal) as a local option class. They were then mis-printed by SKUSA when nationally adopted, and further screwed up by Todd Bellow when he was tech director. These are the rules adopted by PKC and currently in use only by PKC. IRA, the group behind Tag USA, they took the rule set late last year and refined it to the current set we use and many other regional series including the SKUSA Great Lake region (the only active SKUSA region outside of SoCal). The current rule set for IRA was written by Rick Blood and reviewed by John Denman, JR Clasen, Dave Larsen, Gary LaPoint, Greg Wright, Terry Riggens, and Doug Welch with input from Paul Leary and several other engine builders.
Tag USA rules orginally came from John Denman and the late Tom Argy Jr. They were then taken over by Dave Larsen of IRA as part of his friendship with Tom. Marty Casey worked on them a bit for Dave while Marty was with SKUSA. After Marty found he was fired by SKUSA on EKartingNews, Dave hired him to continue with Tag USA and that continues to this day.
80 shifter rules orginally came from IKF and Gary La Point. The novice package came from IKF with Gary LaPoint as author. Gary also wrote them for the SKUSA rule book.
Mini-Max comes from Rotax.
Kid Karts, from thin air. :idn:
That is your history lesson for today.
I don’t think that combining TaG Jr. and Master is a good idea. TaG Master is already usually the largest class. Also, a while back someone raised the issue of liability if someone under 16 yrs of age gets injured in an incident with an adult. I never did see a response to that and I don’t know what the answer is.
Charles
Jeez Doug, what a name droper you are. That was a pretty good response. No wonder you need to work on Fridays, you type all day on Tuesday’s 😉
See you guys this weekend for more discussions and history lessons. Any word on the stolen goods yet? Hope you catch the thieves.
Mike,
Your real reason is the amount of laps required to run in a PKC style event. You would’nt make it to the main.Curt:
I burned incense last weekend, sacraficed a chicken and was looking for the sacraficial virgin (no luck) so my 20 lap mains are on buddy. Even finishing all the 10 lap heats. It’s all looking up for me.I agree with Charles. I’d have no problem running with juniors but again, parents would be screaming about their babies.
Before this thread dies and rolls into the dreaded archives, I just wanted to thanks to everyone who called me and PM’d me about their thoughts and comments. There were some very interesting conversations indeed from both side of the fence.
If another racing option does present itself for 2007, it will no way be an attempt to affect anything we have all done to build the CSC to what it is today. I am sure the CSC will continue to be one of the premier karting series in the US. We will be around for a couple more years and look forward to making future runs at a State Championship.Thanks Again,
CurtMajor bad idea to combine Tag Sr and Tag Jr. Way to much weight difference age talent etc. Furthermore Tag Jr. and Sr. typically have the most cars in their class. At IMI you would of had over 40 cars on the track.
Dave Zippie
Sorry I meant Tag Masters rather than Tag Sr in the above post.
Dave Zippie
I agree, the Tag Masters and Tag Juniors are typically the two largest classes and need to remain separate. Either class is usually larger than any of the combined groups. Futhermore, the Tag Juniors run lap times much closer to the Tag Seniors than the Tag Masters. At the last CSC race a Tag Junior kart posted the fastest lap of all Tag classes.
Doug,
Your thoughts are well taken. However, I have to respectfully disagree with your idea of NO drops.
As everyone is aware you can not please everyone. By having no drops you will not please alot of people. Even with only 5 races there are situations that come up. Vacation scheduling (before race schedule comes out). Family emergencies, weddings, funerals conflicts with national karting events, sickness, graduation, scheduling races on INDY 500 weekend etc etc etc. If we are truly racing this for fun give everyone a drop for whatever reason. If not there will be a lot of good drivers that have a shot at the championship that will be out. Then they will truly be racing for any indidual race and not the championship. At that point there is no big deal in missing another. This is not the way to grow the CSC.
Dave Zippie
Zip,
I feel Doug is correct for various reasons.
Our personal quest for a championship will be tainted because of drops this year. Just like last year.
We will race in all (9) events this year, one first place finish, podiumed in three of the five so far. If you add up where we currently are, (2nd), and look into the drops, it will bring us to third place at best. Kyle Ray was a great team mate at the beggining of the year for spotting us points in (2) races he had some bad luck in. Now due to drops and his great driving ability, he will more than likely run us down and then Mark Elliott who is driving his butt off this year. Drops Suck.
Drops also keep the entries down which keeps the competition down. Look at every form of motorsports and find another series that allows for drops. I’ll bet Jeff Gordon wishes he had a couple of drops right about now.
There will always be personal conflicts with schedules no matter if we have drops or not. We need to shorten the schedule to 5-or 6, no drops, and cut or combine at least 6 classes for next year.No to Tag masters and Tag jr.
Jr. are much too fast, inexperienced, take too many chances, are wreck prone and the liability issue.
ok on the drop deal. obviously anybody who knows my current race record this year knows i would be even more screwed if we had no drops… but regardless of that, i dont care when i say that there should really be no drops. to throw out a race is lame, if you do bad its like a second chance, where else does that happen? besides if there are conflicts and you are aspiring to do well in points (that has no drop races) then apparently you aren’t committed enough to go through the whole season to obtain that goal. Having no drops really shows who is a great racer by means of consistency which is what really matters. I would say definately no drops on a five race series, hey i would even be tempted to say none on our current schedule. Look at us, we have 9 races and need 2 drops. Nextel Cup has what, 40 million races now? and they have none… why cant we do that?
chris
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