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JB
Great answers. I agree with most of what is being said.
The only problem lies with perception.
I agree we need a place for the used equipment which is sold to the new driver. I disagree with the stock class comments.
The perception is that Stock is for new drivers. Quite the opposite.
It is for a cost controlled option. Nowhere did anyone say Stock is entry level.
I know there are drivers buying brand new ICC motors and are new drivers.
I hope the CSC starts a club race requirement prior to racing in the CSC so they have some experience prior to entering.I know all is getting wrapped up shortly.
Thanks,
JimJim ,Ask any kart shop owner who has consignment karts for sale who is the most likley buyer for used shifter karts , Newbies — you expect them to race with the pro drivers entering the Stock Honda class ??
I think Brad has at least 20 used shifters with no-one to sell them to — I must wonder how many other shops accross the country have a similar situation ??We need an entry level 125 shifter class badly , the way things stand right now SKUSA has cut the legs off their main feeder program , that being the Newbies , not the pros who want to beat up on the new drivers !
Anyway , untill SKUSA changes it’s attitude about the new guys and gals , I have little use for them .
How is the CSC ” The Next Level of Karting” when you race against the same people in club races?Racing diff. tracks is cool, but next level? Kinda disrespecting towards club racers.I’m so tired of the Were better than you attitude towards Briggs racers, that I’ve seen in my 4yrs. racing karts. How much money did the CSC loose because they 86’d ALL the Briggs classes?The classes with the largest participation. This holier than thou attitude BS is why Karting will never grow.Racing is Racing.Engine package shouldnt matter.
Greg,
As JB said….
“3. The CSC, as a few of you remember, was formed essentially for the majority of racers who do not plan on attending national events, but would love to be invited or sponsored into the next level of racing.”
…you are not racing against the same drivers as the club series, not everyone races every club race that is offered. There are also National and out of state drivers that race the state series.
As for the next level of racing….think Truck, Sprint, Outlaw, Nascar,CART, IRL.
As JB also said…
“5, 6 & 7: #of races – club vs CSC: CSC was designed for the state racer that couldn’t afford a national entry to still get recognition for a job well done. The club races afford a newbie to get their feet wet in racing before entering state or national level competition. “
…the club races should be a place for the newbies to get thier feet wet, and for the state race to continue to hone thier skills.
Karting won’t grow if we continue to think small and run around with chips on our shoulders.
Drew Kunter
Greg,
If I remember correctly, you made the decision on behalf of the briggs racers to NOT race CSC because you didn’t want to follow the tire rule. You wanted open tires and the CSC spec’d a tire. The Briggs racer was and is always welcomed in the CSC. You chose not to be.
RESPECTFULLY,
JimWhy was the class cancelled?. Others could have raced?Also there wasnt a National class being offered to us Briggs racers in GJ ,remember?We were getting the short end of the stick……………
Greg , I kinda feel your post was directed to me ,so I’ll try to help if it is possible for you to gather up the huge group of loyal Briggs racers you indicate there is .
Stand up and be counted — If there is more than 3-4 Briggs racers who will make the committment necessary to attend ALL the scheduled races , maybe, just Mabey , I can convince the other race tracks and all the other racers to justify the extra time it will take to accomodate your small group !
One thing in life you can be sure of Greg , is that change is one constant that you cannot stop from happening ! Perhaps it is time for you to make a few changes too ?
I notice every now and then a loyal KT-100 driver will show up and say “why don’t the CSC let KT 100’s race in ??
We did not “86” any classes you did it to yourselves by natural attrition , the past is gone forever , come see me , maybe I can make you a deal on a Leopard package !
J.B.
The Briggs classes had the LARGEST turn out of ALL classes. They would have been one of the largest in the CSC . SKUSA was the main PROBLEM. J.B you were at the IMI CSC races. You saw the Briggs class turn out. I do hope things will be diff. in 2006.Local option rules shouldnt have exceptions.ie.tires.
From the CSC results page:
Entries per class
ICC – 9
S1 – 8
S2 – 10
S3 – 3
G1 – 17
K2 – 10
K3 – 8
TaG masters – 24
TaG sr. – 15
TaG jr. – 10
Mini Max – 6
K80 Jr 1 – 12
Kid Karts – 12
Clearly there is a difference between a regional series and the club series.65 Shifters and 55 Tags. Hell, there’s a series all by themselves.
Those are pretty strong numbers on both sides. And the classes seem to be growing every year.
Curt,
That’s because everyone wants to race Keesling and Jansen 8)
Plus, what other group (TaG Masters) do you have sportsmanship, clean competition, and large fields each and every race? I’d rather race 20 and have 2-3 wide passing (IMI last season at both races) than 3 all by yourselves or combined with another class. And that doesn’t account for the cammeradierie (sp?) within the class. Sure, during the race we want to beat each others brains out but at the end of the day we’re drinking beer and having a good laugh. Then again none of us have illusions of a budding F1 Career or Nascar career either….
And again, everyone wants to race Keesling and Jansen…
@J.B. Olmstead wrote:
Greg , I kinda feel your post was directed to me ,so I’ll try to help if it is possible for you to gather up the huge group of loyal Briggs racers you indicate there is .
Stand up and be counted — If there is more than 3-4 Briggs racers who will make the committment necessary to attend ALL the scheduled races , maybe, just Mabey , I can convince the other race tracks and all the other racers to justify the extra time it will take to accomodate your small group !
One thing in life you can be sure of Greg , is that change is one constant that you cannot stop from happening ! Perhaps it is time for you to make a few changes too ?
I notice every now and then a loyal KT-100 driver will show up and say “why don’t the CSC let KT 100’s race in ??
We did not “86” any classes you did it to yourselves by natural attrition , the past is gone forever , come see me , maybe I can make you a deal on a Leopard package !
J.B.
You’re right J.B.
Why race unless you’re gonna go FAST :loony:
If that briggs class runs nitromethane it might be fun though:)
@BHALE wrote:
We need a big boy class for all of the ex athletes whos kids have taken to the sport. The class would be for a driver weight of 250 and up. I know there are plenty of parents out there that would be intrested in this if they could be competitive.
My son would love to play middle line backer for his high school but his body is built for other things. There is always GI if his/her weight is putting them to a disadvantage. We don’t need more classes, we need more track time.
The problem with G1 is it’s not really a heavy class, just a skinny old farts class. With the puppies running at 385# and G1 at 395#, its really just a medium class. If it was a real heavy/old class, it would run at 410#. Tag Masters is 30# heavier than the puppies, not 10#. In my rose colored, totaly unrealistic world, the puppies would run on 375# and the heavy/old at 410#. Sam Walls proved that a skinny old guy could run with the kids.
Take a look at the first year of the CSC. Who won the Pro class championship?
Also, if you want to take a minute to look at history, look at the level of participation of the Briggs adult class away from IMI. That will tell you why its not in the CSC.
History folks, history. Don’t re-invent the wheel. Look at what was done in the past and why it worked and why it didn’t. Before there were any other tracks besides IMI, we only ran two 125 classes, novice and Pro. You were considered a Pro if you broke 54 seconds. If you showed up with an FC motor, like one racer did, you ran heavy, 420# if I remember right
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