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JB,
I couldn’t agree more. The Corp. karts we are using have approx 14,000 laps on each one, and I have changed the oil.
They run forever, so far…(knock on wood).
JimFYI In Canada the biggest classes are 4/ 160 and 200 Honda classes.
I can’t remember where but a club/s run both Honda and Briggs engines in the same classes, The Hondas out number the Briggs 3 to 1 after 2 seasons.A quick word on homologations for 2007. Bill is correct, in CIK competition, the last two homologation periods are legal. Homologations is done every three years and next one comes in 2007. Chassis is 2006.
In the past, there has been relatively small changes in the specifications with each new period so the refinemets have tended to be small and older engines have stayed competitive. However, there are significant changes coming. The next generation of engins are supposed to be the so called “green” engines. The biggest changes are coming in ICA (100cc stuff which do not run here) but similar changes are in store for ICC.
The new rules require the engines to last longer, run less oil and are rev limited (although many arguments are still ongoing and it’s not known how different the final rules will be. They were going 4 cycle but that was trash canned.) The new spec engines are out there and testing now and they have proven to be significanty slower than the current spec engines. There is no way CIK will allow old engines in if the new style engines do indeed prove to be slower. Personally, I can’t in good concsious recomend a guy buy a new ICC this coming year knowing full well it could very well be obsolete in a year.
Many of us refer to CIK as the Cartel of Italian Kart manufactueres. CIK sets the rules to benifit the Italian manufacturers, not the racers.
In your stock boat class, you could wish and hope all day long, yet with out tech and rules you have nothing but a RWYB class with a shady gentlemans agreement. “Stock” rules have always been and will always be a class that requires the most thorough set of rules to follow. Why is it every time a new stock class comes up people think that we can skip writing rules for it and hope that no one will cheat? The best “stock” kart racen I ever had was with a stocker briggs class in Marshalltown Ia. in 89-90. I was proud to get torn down and checked for compliance to the rules every time I won. They never asked me what rule could be written that would give someone else a chance in a race I was in. Seat time wouldn’t have changed my dominance, yet one written rule shure could have.
If the stock honda rules are so simple then it will also be so simple to tech.
You wonder why a Racer works on getting an edge on the competition with there motor program and I wonder why Race promoters fail to see the need to have real rules that are enforced. It’s really simple, the less you work on the rules the more I am going to work on my motor.JB, Them hondas are good little motors, you should try some of Brads honda clones. Everything is cheep and dependable untill you want it to go faster than the other guy.
I have been running a stock ICC motor all year and I would feel comfortable running it at a national race. All it cost me was a few top ends, some drive gears, and a clutch pack mid season. Only thing not stock was the Supertech transmission. A Hot Rod motor is only a few tenths, chassis and driver are seconds.
A.J. Noud
Let’s think of it this way and I know this is a weak comparison but hang in there with me…
In boxing they’ve become an alphabet soup of classes and organizations. Isn’t that what’s become of karting in some classes (take TaG for instance)In TaG you’ve got Ital, Leopard, Rotax, Sonik, Biland, Orel(right Brad?), Comer, Sonik old, etc etc. My question is how do you tech this mess in the best possible way? You honestly don’t! Yes, I understand the kart shops want to sell motors and stuff but honestly, wouldn’t it be better if we had only a few engines to work with (talking TaG) and let the others fall to the wayside? Parts for one would be available, wouldn’t they? Reasonable competition between shops would keep prices reasonable, wouldn’t it?
If an engine that IS Successful then why not use it (honda is my example in stock class) Do you really want to start the “soup” that we have in TaG with Stock moto? Kawasaki, Yamaha etc. Hell, some guy on EBay is selling old CZ motors why not bring them in the fold. If the Honda works then why WOULDN’T you all want to use it, I am confused?! That’s what I like about the Rotax, I can truly race against others and if they beat me it’s because they set the chassis better or they spent more time testing and tuning. I don’t have to worry about “motor X” is better and more powerful than mine.
Maybe I’m just missing the point for y’all that have open checkbooks and are proud that you’ve spent “X” on a motor but wouldn’t you rather have a similar motor to your competition and have a level playing field and say, “I am the best because my pilot practiced more and has talent and ability to set up his kart versus, “my trust fund allows me to spend the most and buy a championship”
Please don’t take my above comments personally, I for one think champions here in Colorado worked thier butts off to become the winners they are. Lee Gagna for one and Roman in my class showed that you spend time testing and you’ll get the results you desire. And Roman’s chassis and engine aren’t exactly “new out of the box” either!
I for one would LIKE to run stock Honda. Equal engines. Avaiable parts. Low maintenance. Sounds like a Rotax or Leopard to me…
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