2007 Junior 1 class

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  • #53901
    Angie MacEwen
    Participant

    mod K80 is what I used in the scoring system to keep the CSC class seperate in scoring from the other K80s. I can only guesst that it was a blueprinted K80.

    #53902
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Angie thank you for telling ?us? your plans for this age group for next year?s CSC. That is what I was after and the justification behind it. Even though I don?t agree with it much less understand it, at least now I can begin to plan for next year. Although I could counter some of your points again, what good would it do? You have made the decisions i.e., showed us all the CSC?s plan for this age group next year and in the end it doesn?t matter what I say. All I or anyone else can do is to decide if I want to pay and play in CSC next year. At least we have this year!

    #53903
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Well I’ve been reading these posts with much fascination. We recently moved here. My son ran his first CSC race at IMI last Sunday. I had such a different feeling attending this event compared to watching the CSC race at IMI last June. One of the reasons for moving to this area was the strong K80 field, close racing, bump draft qualifing, I was very impressed last summer, told my son he’s gonna have to step up his game here in CO. I now have the stock engine, Which I think it is tight and down on power, but hard for me to compare, it’s brand new. We did one race at CRE, there were 7 cadets and the racing was close. Was hoping once our engine breaks in we might get competitive there. We were the only one with a stock engine at IMI, so we had no one to race with really, only the new racers in animal, no way we could keep up with the blueprinted K80. (Note to self, should bring the blueprinted engine and race as a club racer at next IMI event.) Which we ended up on the bad end of an incident with one of them. (BIG THANKS TO BRAD FOR GETTING US BACK OUT!!) My son, after 3 years of karting, is a much better racer than what he could show at IMI. From my view point I don’t think we will be doing anymore CSC races, it’s not really worth the effort. I think racing the CRE series where there are racers and the program is established is the way for us to go. I just wish I didn’t have to drive 2 hours to get there when I have 3 tracks within a hour! I realize that this does not help CSC build the class, and I am sorry for that, but spending the time and money to do CSC events does nothing for developing my son’s karting. I would like to see close racing with the same power, where you have to learn to carry speed and scrub off as little as possible, not race with karts that can crawl thru the turns and use the horsepower on the straights to turn the same lap time. Which doesn’t push him to carry more speed. Now I’m not being critical of the new racers in the animal class, and the kids at the front could definitely drive, it’s just not the close racing he needs to help his development. Did help his passing in turns skills tho.

    So what do I think CSC should do? Plan better for next year and hope for the best. I’m afaid this year is gone for K80’s, rules were just to late. If the rules had come out sooner maybe we would have 3 or 4 K80’s instead of one and it would have snowballed from there, but now you won’t have one. They should align themselves with the rules of an established system such as CRE and hope to tempt some of those racers into CSC races. If the rules could be consistant throughout Colorado where someone racing at CRE could go on a whim and race at the Track or IMI, oh what a pleasure that would be. But we would have to get all the track owners to talk to do that, Oh well we can always dream.

    Would like to have gone to Greely, but what’s the point?

    Wishing all the best.
    David Irwin

    _________________
    Nial Irwin #00
    2004 Kid Kart Champ Monrovia, Md.

    #53904
    Rodney Ebersole
    Participant

    David and CCWogrin,
    Thanks for sharing your new comers view.

    If you guys aren’t carefull with all this talk, we could have a nother five year plan for next year. Sorry but that is sort of funny.
    Keep on worken at it, I might have me a little grand racer too in my 5-10 year karting plans.
    What a Great place to be so Free as to choose our own troubles.

    #53905
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I will 2nd that -thanks for sharing.

    I think that is what the pationate racers want: one consolidated group in Colorado as to rules, divisions, better organization which include ALL track owners. I believe you will see a push for this in 2007-hint!

    I wish more rookies would share their feelings on this forum!

    thanks

    #53906
    Mike Edwards
    Participant

    Mr Irwin.

    I would be willing to lend you an Animal motor to try if you like.

    Call me if you are interested
    Mike Edwards
    303-598-2810

    #53907
    Joe Rosse
    Participant

    David,

    Peter couldn’t make it to the IMI race last week due to a conflict, but will be at Greeley. So if you change your mind, there will AT LEAST be two stock K80s. Let’s hope some of the others that have been talking to Angie show up as well!

    #53908
    Doug Welch
    Participant

    At this point, we should have one also.

    #53909
    Angie MacEwen
    Participant

    This discussion is great! The timing is bad for me, cuz I am running around for the GGP, and the kids’ last days of school.

    I know that the K80 rules changed very close to the start of the season. I am sorry about that.
    David, we are actually doing what you suggested.. taking a program for that age, that is working here in CO (at CRE), and trying to expand it. At the point of changing the rules, we had NO K80s signed up. There was one on the list, per a phone call, as a maybe. That is why I put out the inquiries on this forum, and the decision was made to go to a program that would fill in the gap that we have in the junior class structure, between Kid Karts and the next step of Mini Max or Animal. NOT ONE PARENT called or emailed me, at that time, about their concern or intention in this class. I have since been in contact with a couple. Brian, I know that you were at the meeting, and had every intention of racing the K80 with a rules package similar to last year (once published). But again, that was one racer. And, with the engines being as touchy and expensive as you say, I am glad we didn’t go that way. No wonder participation dwindled last year.

    As a parent with two that are moving out of Kid Karts, I am very concerned about this class. ( we plan on moving them to it this season as soon as we get engines set up, and make sure they can handle it) I know now that people sit back and watch the info posted and base their decisions on that. If I had talked to some parents, and had people to call, maybe we could get better attendance. So, anyone thinking about this class, or that has a K80 that want to bring it out to race – but don’t want to be the only one – send me an email, and we can try to get this class to gain some momentum! Or if there is someone else interested in being a “representative” for this class, let me know.

    We have gone through this with some of the other Jr classes – K3 was down to a few at one point. Once people realize that these classes won’t (can’t) go away, they begin to grow. These are classes that are integral in the class structure for Juniors. Leaving a void in the class structure for the 7-9 year old will keep new people from joining, and we could lose others that don’t have a class to move to. ( I know we have the animal for 8 – 12, but in full race trim is too fast for the younger or new kids) The Kid Kart class is growing – we should have 12-15 at the next couple of races. If we don’t have a class for those kids to move into smoothly, we will lose them.

    I have to get back to work, and probably will have very little time the rest of the weekend to be posting here! If you need something, please call me at 970-689-0502 over the weekend.

    Thanks.
    Happy Racing.

    Angie

    #53910
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    @Angie MacEwen wrote:

    ( I know we have the animal for 8 – 12, but in full race trim is too fast for the younger or new kids)

    Does a newbie or graduate need a special class to be able to run up front to keep them interested? Or is this more of a parents need? I think the Greeley Tribune article on Taylor, along with ccwogrin’s previous post should sum up how these kids should get thier start.
    This is the only racing group I’ve ever been involved with that looks to make special classes for someone to get a podium spot.
    Any time you start out new, or graduate up from a class, they have to expect to have some time before they can be competetive.
    Our #1 goal in ’05 was just to finish all laps, and we missed that twice. I just wanted her to get race time, to learn how to handle the kart at respectable speed before I strapped on a race trimmed Animal.
    I believe it is up to the parent to only allow the kids to run as fast as thier abilities will let them. But it seems around here it is only about getting a podium finish.
    Look at CNS, Nextel Cup, NHRA, WoO, IRL, (pick your favorite series). A rookie just moving up from a stepping stone class is not expected to win right away. It’s happened, but it’s very rare. They are expected to run at the back for a while getting used to the equipment/more speed/veteran drivers etc. etc.
    I’m also having a hard time understanding why the Jr.1 class that has the most entries for the series is on the chopping block. It is for that reason alone I will purposely skip several CSC events. I don’t beleive in racing at facilities that don’t want me there.

    Russell Bezanson, father of
    Taylor Bezanson, Jr.1 Animal

    “can’t sleep. clowns will eat me!”

    #53911
    Eddy Wyatt
    Participant

    Rich

    You are spot ON!!

    – One sanctioning body
    – Like class structures
    – Cooperative race schedules (seems so this race season, BRAVO to the track owners).

    Respectfully
    Eddy
    #91
    Rookie Rotax racer

    #53912
    Mike Edwards
    Participant

    Wouldn’t be easier to just restrict the animals?
    😕

    Mikey

    #53913
    Rodney Ebersole
    Participant

    Restricted animal’s? No way, that’s what the grass roots national orginizations do so we can’t be doing that. 😯
    Besides animals are too fast and cost too much so the mini max has to be the answer.

    #53914
    Mike Edwards
    Participant

    AMEN……………..

    #53915
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Well here goes. I normally sit back do some reading and see what develops. But being in this case “New People” input was suggested I think I’ll put in my two cents.

    Here is the thing that mystifies me regarding Jr1.

    1: Why is it that you can’t limit the Animal motor to a box stock
    Configuration?

    The less modifying the more reliable they will be and in the end costing less correct? We have run our stock motor for nearly 2 years now without a single hiccup in terms of stock motor performance.

    2: Why can’t we limit a specific gear ratio range and tire size to use with
    this class?

    Again this is to even the field out so driving abilities come in to play rather than high dollar speed.

    3: Why is it that all the tracks here in Colorado can’t get on the same page as far as tech inspections / rules go?

    I talked to people and depending on the track location it’s anything from a casual glance over to a much more formal system. One person actually told me, “Protest if you think you were outclassed”.

    We have stopped competing in formal races however she still practices at tracks other than IMI. Sorry motorcycles, scooters and race karts out on the track at the same time is just nuts IMO.

    I truly believe the best way to be faster and to compete better is seat time, no doubt about it. But when it comes to race time it truly is disheartening to watch someone pull away on the straights like your driver just lost their chain. I know there are many, many factors to going fast but what’s the problem with having all the entries start from an equal platform? One stock motor, specified tire size and limited gear ratio?
    Maybe I’m looking at this in an overly simplistic way but this Jr 1 issue is quite simple to solve. No I don’t care about why this is that and what came to be because in reality from what I’m reading, it’s gotten this class nowhere. It has kept me out because that gray area separating what you can do and what you can’t do is just to big.

    Personally I don’t think we will ever formaly race Jr 1 until that gray area shrinks down so that this class becomes more of a spec class. If that ever happens has yet to be seen. Having my daughters lap time improve due to driving ability alone is much more worth to me than throwing money at the motor. It’s also better for the kids racing because they know winning in an even paced field was due their ability, not dad’s ability to buy a better car.

    There you have it, I’ll step off my box now.

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