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The five people who attended your meetings are the only ones who have heard only some of all the possible engine choices available to the JR’s. The five who attended are considerably less than the 34 names you have on your list. Why don?t you list all of the other possible engine packages that are available for the JR?s, the pros and cons for each. It is not as simple as a yes or no answer for the one engine choice you have made. By asking for a vote in this manner is certainly a manipulative way to influence this decision. I for one do not agree with your approach to this important issue.
Nice…
Rumours are now being added to posts.
And that’s credible?Help clarify something for me:
We’re THINKING about allowing “checkbook racing” in the form of stock engines vs blueprinted etc etc.As parents aren’t we teaching our kids something here that’s just flat wrong? I can see it, parents with puffed out chests since they BOUGHT their way to a championship (at age level 7-12 years old) The newbie who gets into karting and realizes he or she might have talent but that’s overshadowed by deep pockets and much better technology? How long does this newbie stay in the sport with that attitude? If the MAJORITY want to go this route then hey the people have spoken.
But realize this my fellow racers: Tiger Woods and Michael Schumacher aren’t at the pinnacle of thier profession because they BOUGHT their way to the top, they EARNED it by hard work, sacrifice and focus.
Why do you all think ICC pro class is dead here in Colorado? Checkbook racing. Period. What classes are largest and most competitive? TaG, Spec Honda and MiniMax. See a pattern between the two?
Here’s an analogy; aluminum bats for some kids fortunate enough versus wooden bats for others. Heck of a good baseball game eh?
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@Mike Jansen wrote:
Why do you all think ICC pro class is dead here in Colorado?
Cause Kyle Ray is too Dammmmm Fast, and he kicks our butts, that’s why!
Brad, Stacy, Jim , JB, Curt & Angie
The Junior I class issue is just a microcosm of the many conflicting issues in Colorado karting that need to be addressed by those of us that are suppose to be in a position of leadership. This issue is all the more reason that those of us involved in Colorado karting as a business and participants need to come together to unify the sport under uniform rules and standards for the benefit of our businesses and the states kart racers.We currently have four club tracks and a traveling tour that all have different class structures, rules and technical specifications not to mention schedules that trample all over each other. We are literally shooting ourselves in our collective foot by sticking our heads in the sand and ignoring what our prospective customers and those currently involved are trying to tell us. Karting in Colorado is too fragmented in just about every conceivable way for our sport to grow and prosper. We are not only chasing away potential business we are also chasing away those that dare show any interest and have the courage to step up and address their concern about our mutual sport…..and not just the track owners.
Once again I would ask that ALL of the track owners and promoters attend this coming Sundays meeting in a spirit of co-operation in an effort to unify karting for the good of ALL….the track owners, kart shop owners and most of all OUR customers, the kart racer.
The first order of business this coming Sunday must be the effort of the track owners, promoters, shop owners and representatives of the kart racers to form a Colorado Karting Counsel to address the interest of ALL involved. The counsel collectively can then address the many concerns of ALL involved .
There are now five kart tracks, a traveling tour and a Gran Prix committee vying for the attention of a very limited number of potential kart racers. The day of the so called benevolent dictator is DEAD. The public is trying to get our attention……I would suggest that all of us that have a business interest in karting in Colorado attend Sundays summit in a spirit of mutual co-operation that would benefit us all and our sport.
Blink,
Your customers are trying to tell you that multiple engine choices ARE the problem and that they don’t want them. They are asking for ONE engine specifically and they want written, clear and definable technical specifications. It is pretty loud and clear.
Fulfilling their request would sure make your life easier and more profitable as a businessman.Curt
The yes or no question is based on the feedback already received, correct? Then I applaud your effort to get the answer to the question that you have asked. There is no point going back to square one to discuss multiple engine packages in my view. PRESS ON!!!!
Spot on George, thanks for your positive input.
Respectfully
Eddy Wyatt
Meek Motorsports, LLCGeorge,
Where did you get the impression I want multiple engines for JR?s? I only want one engine that is reliable, inexpensive to buy, inexpensive to run, consistent performance, successful history of racing with written rules, no blueprints and if you go by that explanation it?s not a Comer 80.
The yes or no question is from the small amount of karters that went to these private meetings which all have Comer 80 engines, what engine do you think they want everyone else to run, Briggs? If a group of Briggs karters had their own meeting what engine do you think they would want, Comer 80?s?
I do listen to MY customers and they have told me what they do not want. They do not want to spend a lot of money to be competitive. They do not want to compete with their checkbook. They do not want to deal with cheaters. They do not want to work on their engines every few races. They do not want the same kid winning every race.Concerning the meeting: You can make some of the people happy all of the time, you can make all of the people happy some of the time, but you cannot make all of the people happy all of the time. We have a meeting every year and this one is going to be no different.
I ran Briggs back east for 2 years= competetive Animal $1350.00 new at best. A national level K-80 new $1550.00.
Have run K80’s here in Colorado for 2 years under WKA rules with less maintenance and operational cost than any Briggs we every ran?????
Buy the way I would be willing to build a good K80 (WKA/IKF) legal for less than any Briggs.
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EddyI never spent that much on any of the animals we ran……My suggestion is to put the animal back to stock timing and cam have it sealed by Jim Bennett and go racing. 8)
Mikey :cheers:
Blink,
I’m not trying to be combative but you did ask the question, quote” Why don’t you list all of the other possible engine packages that are available for JR’s….the pro’s and con’s for each” without any regard for what appears to be a throughly thought out concern from your customers. The choice of engine is that simple; they have asked for one particular engine, considered all of the alternatives and have been very specific about their desires. Scott Hannum not only sighted the potential numbers that could be involved in the class but gave you family names, so apparently this recommendation is coming from more than just five kart racers. Even those that have used other engines in the Junior I program have expressed there desire for clarity and simplicity on this forum.As to your concerns for a reliable, inexpensive to purchase and operate engine package that has consistent performance and a successful history to meet written rules without cheating, the Comer K 80 very easily meets those standards and given it’s record in national competition that is not just my opinion. I used Honda engines for nearly 20 years in my concession track operations and I have also used boxstock, sealed Comer K-80’s over the past four seasons in our Junior program and have found them to be just as reliable in their use as I did the Hondas in our commercial use. The only difference in the performance of the Comer K 80 has been the ability of the parent to tune the carburetor and the experience and potential talent of the Junior racer.
Times and circumstances have changed from five or six years ago and a new direction and way of doing business needs to be considered. The annual meeting at IMI will only address your club racing program and I would assume the concerns of the CSC and will not address the concerns of the entire karting community. I would therefore ask for your involvement in this weekends summit meeting in an effort to work together with all of the karting community for the good of all concerned.
Please know I’m not out to talk down those who love Briggs racing as I have a World Formula on an Arrow for my 14 year old grand daughter to run next year. For the sake of unity, we support what the masses want for the Jr 1 program in Colorado in 2007.
All the Animals we saw run this year, We did not see one that was competetive that we could say was low budget box stock. Quite honestly, a box stock Animal doesn’t do well in any racing series as well.
Additionally the most reliable seem to be built by a knowlegable engine builder and tuner. Point being, if the decission would be to run Animals in the CSC we would go with the flow in our race team and have an Animal.
In our opinion, voices have been heard. That’s a good thing for unity and Colorado Karting. It appears K80’s are the way we should GO!!!
Respectfully,
Eddy Wyatt
Meek Motorsports, LLCI don?t think there was one of my customers that attended the two private meetings that Scott had arraigned. All of those who attended are Comer 80 racers. If you think that a class that uses an engine that will cost $1500-$2500 or more to be competitive is the answer than you are lying to yourself. The Comer group has thoroughly thought out what is best for them, not for the rest of the group. The group of Comer racers you are referring to are not my customers they are your customers George. Five racers have asked for this engine package, not 34. Many of those listed are Briggs racers and I am sure they will not include themselves in the Comer crowd. If you used Honda engines for 20 years then you should be supporting the only engine that has been available that would suit all of the racers needs. You can put a seal on a Comer 80 and you will be sealing in the pitfalls of this engine and will never achieve parity between engines. The Comer is not consistent between engines and to seal them without blueprinting and expect parity is a joke. If you blueprint all of them you are adding to the cost big time and still not achieve parity. The same is true for the Briggs. Honda is the only engine for JR?s that has been used in racing which can achieve parity between engines without spending a fortune. The Honda engine has been used successfully in Canada and England for over a decade with written rules with a limited amount of blueprinting. The voices of five people have been heard and to insinuate that this is the consensus of all of the racers is deceiving. There are no masses that support this concept they are proposing in Colorado. There are many looking for an answer for JR?s and to leave out all of the options and falsely conclude that the Comer 80 is the answer by this biased meeting is a sham. There was not one Comer 80 that was competitive that was low budget and stock.
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Curt
The yes or no question is based on the feedback already received, correct? Then I applaud your effort to get the answer to the question that you have asked. There is no point going back to square one to discuss multiple engine packages in my view. PRESS ON!!!!
Spot on George, thanks for your positive input.
Respectfully
Eddy Wyatt
Meek Motorsports, LLCEddy,
I turned all of the surveys over to the track owners. To my knowledge there has been no decisions made on a motor package in any class. Hopefully, this is the reason we are having this meeting.
If there are 34 kids racing in one class in the CSC that will be truley epic. Every one of you should attend the meeting and stand united. If 34 teams show up with 5 different motor package request, then I will almost bet it will be a long day with nothing getting accomplished.
Everyone needs to show up and have their say. Take a formal vote in front of others and see where the chips fall.As far as the survey goes, there were less surveys turned in than 34. I can tell all of you, less than 6 were from parents with kids in this class. Having said that, anyone with a solution or good idea needs to show up Sunday and be heard.
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