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JB has asked me to help him with tech for the CSC race, he is most concerned about the Comers of course. I will inform all Comer owners that the lower ring in your engine will be functional, not broken, it will have the same tension as the top ring, it will not be superglued in the groove or stuck in the groove in any way. The spark plug will be the proper length going into the engine, no long plug lengths, I am not concerned with how long the insulator on top is. The cylinder will not be machined on the bottom. The piston will be the stock length. The crank bearings will be steel ball, no ceramic. The clutch shoes will be stock with no metal removed.
The shifters, except pro and Senior, will use stock ignitions. ICC’s will have the proper sized carb.
The Rotax’s will not be allowed to use the RM1 pipe, cylinder, or clutch shoes. The clutch shoes on all of the TAGS will have no metal removed.
The tires will be checked and marked in all classes.
We will DQ if you are found to be in violation of these rules and any others not listed but in the WKA, Skusa, CSC rule books. How JB handles a paid protest is up to him.Brad,
Now that’s the way it should be done! 😆
Will there be a pre-tech on Saturday? If so, what will be the time period?
Thanks,
Tom
I welcome increased levels of tech and am very glad to hear that you will be there to help out. However, most of the areas you are going after have minimal impact on overall performance, except tires, when compared to the one area you left out, fuel.
For example, if a Tag racer did lighten his/her clutch, it would have minimal impact for they couldn’t get it to slip at a high enough rpm short of some how finding stronger springs. A lightened clutch will still be fully engaged by 6,000 (stock most are around 3,000 to 4,000) which is still well below the lowest rpm we will see at Bandimere.
Yet a few ounces of a special blend of fuel, like isopropalene(sp) aclcohol, will give an instant 10 to 20% increase in power in a legal engine. A slow leaking nitrous bottle in the air box will do the same thing. I have smelled the funny fuel many times and in several classes so I know its there. Its a health hazard to our racers and its way past time we did something about it.
Brad, that is great!!! we need to let everyone know that we are not going to allow ANY cheating period. If caught they should be banned..
is fuel going to be teched? i still have a headached from last time in Gj, and sometimes vertigo, so it would be appreciated if fuel was checked
Short of having a spectrum anaylizer available at the track, the only reliable way to stop fuel cheating is to spec the fuel and oil to one type for 2-stroke and one for four-stroke. The water test will find alky in gas but not oxidizers. The fuel meter will only do a comparision. I did go to a race where all of the racers had to bring their jug to the line with thier tank empty and the fuel man would fill your tank with one of the other racers gas. In dirt they pump around, all of the alky is pumped into a large tank and you are refilled at the line.
Marc, headaces and vertigo are caused by women, and that is a sure sign that puberty is setting in, when you get a girl friend it will be much worse.@blink wrote:
….the only reliable way to stop fuel cheating is to spec the fuel and oil to one type for 2-stroke and one for four-stroke. …… The fuel meter will only do a comparision.
I have no problem with a spec fuel and oil. The Digitron gage is also very effective in finding additives as you zero off a know combination of gas and oil and you can be only so much plus, end of story. I have seen the Digitron gage find trace amounts left in a fuel system from several events back. A spec fuel and a Digitron gage will eliminate fuel cheating.
Until we seriously attack the fuel problem, we are just dancing around on the tech issue. You would have to bore and stroke a motor a lot to make up for 5 ounces of wonder gas additive. You couldn’t cheat enough in the motor to make up for fuel cheating.
we would NOT have any problem with spec fuel, its the only way to go, let the tracks sell the fuel so they can make money. And doug is right big time about fuel, it gives insane power, in GJ 2 karts i wont name that i have been as fast down the straghitaway before, absolutly pulled everyone, and the fuel made some weird stomach and headahces, even tho brad claims its something else, i swear by what was in that tank was dioxane or somthing becuase i was about ready to puke for 4 days. IF i remmeber correctly the first time in GJ darren announced that fuel was going to be teched, and this party went looking for fuel?
I am also strongly in favor of constant fuel tech. Whatever combustion products Marc and I were breathing in Grand Junction were certainly nothing I have encountered before, and don’t want to endure again.
Schuler
Shouldn’t the shifter classes have a spec fuel if the CSC runs SKUSA rules for all shifter classes? I know SKUSAs spec fuel on the PMT is MS98 for ICCs, and C12 for motos with your choice of either the VP sinthetic oil or RC3/ Maxima 927.
I would like to know because we have been running MS98 all year and if we dont have to in CSC then i would like to try some different fuels/ oils.
I have a suggestion that may work for the rest of the season. If you suspect a competitor is using hot fuel we will have spec fuel available for protest use. Put a protest in writing to the race official and we drain their tank and they run the spec fuel for the rest of the day. You could use their oil in a known fuel.
Rotax uses MS 93 and RS7 oil. A good combination and will pass any fuel test in the country. So will the C12 or MS98 and the two castors that Kyle mentioned. I have also used (several years ago) the Phillips products and recently the Union products. Again, both fuels passed Digitron tests with flying colors. There have been some problems with some of the localy purchsed Sunoco produts but that may due to fuel storage issues, not something wrong with the fuel.
Please don’t misunderstand me, I’m all for teching karts on a regular basis. However, we all too often spend all our time chasing motors where only minor gains can be found with out major alterations and we over look where a simple 5 ounces can add 20% more power. If I were the type who wanted to cheat and I know you are only going to tech the motors, why wouldn’t that person cheat the fuel and run a legal motor? Or another way, if a racer is willing to cheat in his/her motor, why wouldn’t they also cheat on their fuel, particularly in the light that we don’t tech the fuel and do tech the motors!
Blink,
I don’t quite see why we can’t just use a Digitron gauge. It works great everywhere else in the country, I don’t see why it wouldn’t here as well.
Your suggestion of protesting fuel isn’t bad, but here’s the problem with it. Usually when you protest, you put up a certain amount of money wagering that the other guy is illegal, and if you’re right, you get your money back. In this case, we wouldn’t know if the other guy was legal or not to begin with, which means the track would keep the protest fee to cover the cost of the spec fuel. Now, what that means is basically, if I suspect someone of using hot fuel, I have to buy their fuel for them to get them to run legal. Why should I have to buy their fuel? I’m not the one cheating! They should be DQ’d, not get free fuel.
Here’s another concern: if somebody uses legal fuel for qualifying and the prefinal (and thus giving their competitors no reason to suspect them), then they can use illegal fuel in the final and get away with it. If you’re not going to tech the fuel, with a gauge, when the karts come off the track, and check air filters for nitrous drip bottles, it will always be very easy to cheat on fuel.
I think a spec fuel and oil (along with fuel tests) is the best solution, but for this weekend, I think it’s absoultely neseccary to test fuel.
I do appreciate the increased tech, thanks to both you and JB for doing this.
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