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Learn to drive smooth first (TaG) then upgrade from there.
It’s like flying an airplane. They teach you to fly ONE engine first then you graduate into multi engine planes. Same principal.
And yes, there are many more TaG drivers than shifters currently. Although the Spec Honda class is growing each and every year.
Shifters or TaG? Lots and lots and lots of internet ink has been spilled on this topic on another, less well-known discussion board called http://www.ekartingnews.com Cruise over there and crack open the ol’ FAQ section for valuable insight.
Have you driven a TaG yet? This is my second year in TaG and I still suck and lack consistency. I bought a used kart and didn’t (still don’t?) know what I was doing. A TaG kart is plenty challenging and FAST. I have not driven a shifter and therefore cannot comment on whether or not a new racer should buy one.
Whatever you buy, make sure you have the support of a shop or team behind you. You’ll get faster, sooner. Oh, and practice…A LOT.
Welcome to karting. Please post your name. I doubt I’ll be calling you JDubb when i see you at the track.
Kirk
@Kirk_Deason wrote:
I still suck and lack consistency. Oh, and practice…A LOT.
Kirk, you lack consistency that’s all. But you’re getting much better. Although I think there is a correlation towards your improvement and getting rid of Orion, err, Mr. Porno Pants…
And practice makes perfect. Senna, Schummi, Prost weren’t fast out the box no matter what people say….
:cheers:
Mike Jansen Posted: Wed 08 1, 2007 4:54 pm Post subject:
Kirk_Deason wrote:
I still suck and lack consistency. Oh, and practice…A LOT.Kirk, you lack consistency that’s all.
Those who live in glass houses?
I haven’t noticed Kirks arms look like himming bird wings when he’s driving, like someone else we all know. Uh Uhm….Not that I’m talking about you Mikey. You know……. :idn:
Although I think there is a correlation towards your improvement and getting rid of Orion, err, Mr. Porno Pants…
Orion watches…and WAITS. He’s just waiting to pounce on your next avatar attempt. Orion is unemployed (porno biz is slow these days) so he has LOTS of time to watch for your latest internet skin (no wait…not skin!)
Road Runner Posted: Wed 08 1, 2007 5:36 pm Post subject:
Oh and by the way if anybody couldnt tell by that last post, i dont know how to “Quote” correctley.Tony,
Glad you got the hummingbird thing. We’ve been trying to slow Jansens hands down a little this year, it’s proven to be a major challenge to say the least but he is getting better. Young Butterfly!
To quote Tony. Reply to the post as you would. Click on “Quote” in the box above the window. Scroll down and copy (highlight) the segment you want to include in your quote. Right click, copy. Then go to your response, right click, paste. Then click on quote again. You can edit dialog out by highlighting, then space bar. Your first quote should read
Hi Tony
on the last quote in brackets should be Qoute inside the brackets ([ ]) with a forward slash (/) before the word Quote. The forward slash should on the end quote, not the first or it won’t work.
Sure I’ll get flamed here. This is a body man / painter explaining this. There are computer guys out there cringing at my explanation, I’m sure. But it has worked for me. If any of you computer guys out there need help with writing any tech manuals or anything, let me know!
Go ahead work me over!!! I can handle it! (Deason) I know you must be chomping at the bit. Give me your best shot. Lol
I do a lot better with things that you put gas in!!!
Rick
wow this thread got jacked really fast. by the way my name is jason.
Hello Jason. Welcome to the Colorado Karter. We jack most threads around here. Don’t be shy about steering it back on target. What karts are you considering?
Rick, your quote process explanation was exemplary. I don’t flame you, I reserve that humor for the hummingbird.
i am going with something used it will be a couple of months yet but i cant wait.
Quote:Reply to the post as you would. Click on “Quote” in the box above the window. Scroll down and copy (highlight) the segment you want to include in your quote. Right click, copy. Then go to your response, right click, paste. Then click on quote again. You can edit dialog out by highlighting, then space bar. Your first quote should read Quote:
Hi Tony
on the last quote in brackets should be Qoute inside the brackets ([ ]) with a forward slash (/) before the word Quote. The forward slash should on the end quote, not the first or it won’t work.Wow Rick, I didn’t know you worked at Geek Squad 😯 . But hey thank’s anyway
Kirk
Quote:We jack most threads around hereThat sounded a little werid :banana
Sorry Jason,
We very rarely do that when a member uses his real name. And…. anytime there is an oppurtunity to hammer on Jansen (feel free to join in on that) we take it.
Pretty simple. If you have some driving background, you may adapt to the shifter pretty well. I have seen several ex moto x-er’s do very well hoping into a shifter kart. Do I think they would be better drivers starting in a Tag? Yes. Does it matter? No. They are having fun either way and I’m just glad to see more racers coming into a very cool sport.
Just because you would be a better racer in the end, may not mean jack to you. I can tell you Roman loves running a shifter, but it requires more finesse to drive a Tag. He likes that. We used to run Can Am cars. (read as shifter) pretty good horsepower, sometimes just hanging onto it. Wild and wicked. Then raced showroom stock. (read as Tag) If I made a mistake I may be the same 6 car lengths behind the guy in front of me for the next 30 minutes. Not quite as wild but more competitive in my opinion. We would sometimes take the checkered with a 6 -7 car train. Never came close to seeing that in the Can Am racing. Sure it wasn’t nearly as much fun to watch either.
The most highly regarded kart racing class in the past has been the european direct drive class. The fastest? No. But where every top driver in the world wanted to make a name for his or herself. It required more finesse and skill to coaxe these around a circuit. (I suppose you could argue it, but I’ll stick with that).
What I hate to see is someone getting into this and not having a good time and getting out.
When Roman finally got his grades to a point where we could go racing (took him 3 years, just about killed me!) We started to shop around. It was suggested that him being a good size kid, just to put him in a 125 shifter. Hell he would not have even been able to race the kart for a few years at his age, but by God, I would have owned a pretty old kart with a Kawasaki 125cc on her. I have been racing long enough to know that someone was just trying to sell me whatever was sitting there and I was thinking a Tag, 4-stroke (not whats available today in 4-stroke mind you) or any class that required learning to drive properly. Now our aspirations where not that different then than they are now. We know we are not going to be the next F-1 driver and could quite possibly not go far after karting. (we love it and think it’s better tha F-1 anyway, but that’s another thread) But I wanted be as competitive as we could racing around here and there are some damn good racers around here.
Be prepared for a little more maintenance for a shifter. (see my comments on another recent thread) Also, You can go run a Tag pretty easily by yourself. Spin it and hit hit the button and go again. And you will spin it. A shifter is a little more difficult. Spec Moto may be better than trying an Icc package for the 1st time racer, but, hey, I’ve helped some new guy’s who are running these with very good results.
If you have good resources and money is not an issue, get what you think will be the most fun. Don’t worry about being a little better in a year or two or being able to carry a little more corner speed. Get the thing and have fun. If you’re feeling your way around the sport and want to have some fun, get a Tag.
Sorry to highjack you like that :hijack
Boiled down to it’s purest form: take two totally equal drivers in every way. 1 starts out in a shifter, the other starts out in a Tag. They both run for one year getting equal track time. Second year, The driver who started in the Tag (remember all things being equall with the drivers) gets a shifter and at first is not as comfortable as the driver with a year under his belt in the shifter already. They both run eqaul time again. Then the 3rd year/ Both have shifter experience, one has low horsepower / momentum driving experience. I’ll put my money on the driver with the Tag / momentum driving experence every time, even though he has a year less in the shifter. He will be a more controlled driver who will be very difficult for the driver who has more shifter time to beat. He will be more calm, his hands much more quiet, I could go on and on…..
Bottom line, and this is: what my Dad allways told me (Mr Hard Head) “do what you want to do, because that’s what you’re going to do anyway. Right?
It’s just hard to stop someone who is new and compulsive. and point them in the right direction. But as they say in the used car business. “There is an a$$ for every seat”
Sorry to jerk youre thread man!
Rick
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