SKUSA 2005 Rulebook hard copy

[hotwheels1517]

Question before next race. Are we going to strictly adhere to the printed rule book or what is on SKUSA’s site download? The reason I ask is there are differences in the rules from the download and the printed hard copy. One example is the comer on SKUSA’s download. It states that we are going by I.K.F.’s rules. In the SKUSA hard copy it is printed out rules that do differ from I.K.F’s. One example of that is I.K.F. requires an airbox with two 22mm holes. In the rulebook I recieved today it says conventional air cleaner. So clarification on the rules need to be addressed. Please respond soon as it will require testing with the “LEGAL” setup.

Brian Moore,
Father of Brandon #77 comer 80 and novice shifter

[Anonymous]

IKF rule 622.5 from the 2005 edition states.

Conventional air cleaner and starter nut.

Skusa rule 20.3.8.12 from 2005 hard copy( I also checked the online download, which is the file used to print the book. It reads as the book)

Conventional air cleaner and starter nut.

It’s the same. What ever filter IKF runs, SKUSA runs.

Thanks,
Todd Bellew
Superkarts! USA
Director of Race Operations

[Rodney Ebersole]

I got my rule book in the mail, Thanks Todd and Angie.
This is probably an old question, but being a knew SKUSA guy I have got to ask why.
Looking through the class structures on page 13 I see that the rules are pretty fair with seperations of moto/icc power plants. Why is it that CSC is allowing ICC motors to used in all of the classes?
The book doesn’t say an ICC can be used in S1/S2/G2.
My breif experiance is that a moto motor isn’t going to be competitive in CSC’s class structures and tracks’s, while the book does seperate the different power plants.
Why did CSC kill all hopes of karters with moto motors?
The S3 is a grate idea, but so is the rest of the written rules of SKUSA. It’s my opinion that in order to have a good following of stock moto’s there also needs to be a class for mod moto’s, which there is when you read the SKUSA rule book, but when racing CSC rules there is not.
How many mod moto kart owners have been neglected by CSC requiring them to either buy a new stock moto or a new ICC to be competitive?

[Rodney Ebersole]

Ok, when or if I decide to go to a skusa event, other than CSC, would icc’s be run in all of the shifter classes eccept S3?
Sence my e-bay mod moto has no hope in the CSC events, I think I will experiment to run meth to see if it might make up some of the discreprancy there is between moto and icc.
Anyone have an extra carb or worthless mod moto for sale?
Trade: 5 mod briggs motors for a TMk9?

How many kart shops in Colorado are building and selling the stock honda’s?

[Rodney Ebersole]

I know this TV is a little slow, Yet gez, I am talking about the real fewture of Colorado Karting, not specultive property take overs.
Hello, is there anybody out there? I do always have a nother choice when it comes to karting, I can quit.

Well maybe I could.

[Angie MacEwen]

Rodney, sorry for the delay. We have been at the track the last two days.

I have asked for a better explanation on this, and will post it, or have someone else post the answer.

Last year (2004), ICC and moto ran together in several classes. So this is a transition.

I do believe that at the Nations Cup and SuperNats you will find ICC with a class of its own, S1 should be moto only. G1 has ICC allowed this year, and I don’t know about S2.

hope you are having a great weekend.
angie

[Anonymous]

The question still has not been answered directly. Why are moto’s and ICC being run together??? I can tell you we are not to motivated by that decision. We just might do the club race scene at IMI. less money and just as fun.

Oh yeah, did I mention we live in Colorado Springs
and have raced karts since 1998!!!!!!!

Ken Arellano,
The wrench for Garrett, kart 32d

[Jim Keesling]

Good morning all,
I will try to answer your questions regarding why ICC and Moto’s are being run together. This is the perfect Catch-22, damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation.
Last January, when I presented the option of following SKUSA, the board (JB, Stacy, Brad, Angie) all were on a conf. call. We wanted the “least amount of change” to affect the series, but the most amount of rules.
JB’s total concern was what to do with all the used karts out there that currently ran in “novice 125”. All of those motors were ICC, Moto, stock and fully built. Within in the CSC, all 125 shifter classes had all the engine options run together. Enter SKUSA
For this year only, to fade into the structure, SKUSA and the CSC let our region adapt as we saw fit, knowing that for ’06 we would be fully following the book. This way, we didn’t excluded anyone with an older engine package a place to run.
If you had aspirations of competing nationally, you had better get the engine package that fit the class you wanted to run in and start by the book right now.
The ICC motors in S2 and S1, in my opinion, are doing a hugh disservice to the drivers. They have created a false sence of winning, as nowhere else would they run together. They should be in ICC only.
Next season, they will be in their only two classes, ICC and G1.
This is part of the growing pains.
SKUSA is keeping an eye on all the class structures, with the future always in mind. The rules are a “living document”.
I’m glad these questions have been asked, so that the karter understands what’s going on. Once we fade into the class structure, and stick by the rules, the sport will continue to grow, as all those watching from the outside will start to feel comfortable with the investment and want to play.

I hope this answers your questions.

See you at the track,
Jim

[Rodney Ebersole]

Thank you for the responce. From this insider it looks like CSC made a poor call. In 2004 icc’s in Colorado (CSC) were a minority and the moto motors were a majority. Even if I am wrong and they were split equally, in 2005 CSC wrote the rules for the most amount of change for the shifter racer.
They elimated any class for the old die hard moto to run well in while opening all the classes for the newer icc’s to take the lead.
No wonder why I was so confused this winter while I was tring to descide which class to start my shifter experiance in. There wasn’t one.
O well, at least this time I am glad I didn’t have a bunch of extra money to buy into the ICC thing. CSC had me going there for a while, as I am just a local racer changing to shifters and thought for a moment that I would have to start collecting ICC’s to be competitive in my own state.
There must not be a shop in Colorado building good moto motors. If there was they should have been screaming about the 2005 rules.
2006 already looks like a better year for this old karter. Maybe by then I’ll have all my yard work done, some money saved up and ready to race.
We still need to work on this high priced gas crap. Hay, how about the S-1 class gets to use meth for fuel next year, unknow, just as a fade or transition into using a more affordable, inviromentily freindly, better performance race fuel. 😆

[Jim Keesling]

Freez,
Such is life. You should look at the stock moto. Shortly, I’m going to write a little story on the difference between stock moto and the ICC I ran last year. I think we all were under the impression that the stock motor wasn’t going to be as much fun both speed and power compared to a fully built moto. I decided to step into one for two reasons. First, low maintainance. I will spec the package as the arrive and drive kart at the new place, and wanted to see first hand if it really is low maint. Second, is it fast or just a dog? Well, in my opinion, it is fast enough to still wear you out on race day and make the ribs cry for a hot shower.
I don’t have anything to say bad about the stock moto.
I do have bad things to say about others rules or attempt at rules to govern the package. The whole thing needs to be left alone. Stock, stock, stock. The term “spec” as some use is once again sending a great package into the shops for work that doesn’t need to be done.
If you want to “work” on your power plant, than step into a class that allows it. Let’s leave stock alone. Sure, there are going to be factory production differences, but so what. It’s low cost and low maint. It’s also a great step into shifters. Make a shifting mistake, and it has not cost you a $7000 motor.
See you on the 19th, and I know of 2 more S3’s that will be there.
Jim

[hotwheels1517]

I asked this question earlier about the discrepancy in the rules. Whats going on Todd Bellew answered running same as I.K.F.? Whatever I.K.F. runs SKUSA runs. ” I think not”. How did a DQ get overturned if we were running by I.K.F.’s Rules? Does money buy points? If so what does a championship cost????? Just want to know if I can afford to buy a championship for my son.

Brian Moore,
Father of Brandon Moore #77 comer 80 and novice shifter

[Angie MacEwen]

Brian, you can run the conventional air cleaner at the IMI race on the 19th of June, and after that you will have to go back to the airbox.

From what I understand, the airbox was the intention of IKF, and therefore SKUSA, but someone forgot to take out the sentence about the conventional air cleaner. But since that sentence is there, then it will be honored for the 30 days until the update goes into effect.

Also, it was not an overturned DQ. There were docked positions/points, but not a DQ.

Angie

[Anonymous]

First, I made a mistake with not catching this sooner. As is well known, organizations work together on certain classes. IKF has the most expertise and competitive classes of k80?s in the US. This made for the obvious choice of working with IKF on producing rules for use with SKUSA.

The use of a conventional air filter was mistakenly left in our rules. It?s how IKF lists this with their book. However, I was told they use the convention of general rules taking precedence over class specific rules and this was mistakenly left in. This is the opposite for SKUSA, class specific rules take precedence over general rules. Even though the IKF general air box rule states ?where required?.

Beyond that, I asked what IKF’s intention regarding air box usage. They require racers to use them. This is their intention. Therefore, we adjusted our rules to exactly match that intent. I believe their book still doesn?t make it completely clear what their intent is. The benefits of having continuity of rules across organizations has been discussed many times and the benefits are obvious.

Until our correction, based on our published rules, there was a contradiction. Based on our convention, the rule did allow use of an air filter. This wasn?t a racer?s fault the rules were incorrect. So punishing them for only doing what the book said isn?t fair.

Use of the air box is universal from IKF to Stars, so using the box isn?t an issue. The fact of the contradiction was the issue. That mistake has been taken care of with proper notice being given.

[Rusty Newberry]

Thanks Todd.
One of the things that defines a good organization is the ability to recognize a problem then take the steps to correct it and that is exactly what happened in this instance.
We may find other discrepancies as we go along and they in turn will be addressed. At least we do have written rules to refer to now.

Rusty

[Anonymous]

Rusty,
Thank You. It also gives confidence that future issues will be handled properly also.

If we’ve made a mistake we’ll say so and fix it.

[Author]

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