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Our tire rules were determined by the hardness as compared to a YHC. That was the base line. What you are asking for is a open tire rule if MG yellows are allowed with the rest. It was never my intention to do anything other than make it fair. MG Yellows, YHB’s and DAM Dunlops are a 50 durometer. YHC, Maxis Hg3, DAH Dunlop are a 58. What is your problem if everyone can run on the same hardness of tires?
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Our tire rules were determined by the hardness as compared to a YHC. That was the base line. What you are asking for is a open tire rule if MG yellows are allowed with the rest. It was never my intention to do anything other than make it fair. MG Yellows, YHB’s and DAM Dunlops are a 50 durometer. YHC, Maxis Hg3, DAH Dunlop are a 58. What is your problem if everyone can run on the same hardness of tires?
Brad, Doug & JB. SO we can run a 50 Shore A durometer tire?
that means YHB, MG Yellow, or any other tire listed as 50 or harder ?this is what I would like for the Senior class.
In my opinion a spec tire is the way to go, I don’t have to tire test to find what works where. As a hobby racer I want it to be simple and have found the YHC to be a great tire for a 400# kart.
Mitch, Have you tried the MG Yellow tire?
I have tried the YHC, MG Yellow & the MG red.
The YHC is fine for about 5 heat cycles then gets hard as stones
With the short club races, after 1 race & a practice the tire was a rock with plenty of tread left.The MG red was just too hard from the beginning it was like putting on worn-out tires out of the wrapper. But I never wore them out!
The Yellow offers better grip initially and tapers off very gradually. I have run a set in a CSC race then used the same set for a Bandimere race. Alex at DNA has run them for more than 2 races! I can race a set & leave them on for as many practices as I need and then just drop a new set on for the CSC races.
That is value in my opinion, but I don’t think I am alone.
I would be fine with a class tire spec for the MG Yellow and the BS YHB. If anyone wanted to run a harder tire for cost reasons then let them
Plus, in the Senior class we have open engines, so that kind of defeats the purpose of a hard tire!If it were up to me, I would do as Mitch suggests, spec tire. Then I could go to the tire mfg and get some money for specing their tire. Is the Yellow a better tire than YHC, duh, its not apples to apples. It is much softer. Is it better than a YHB, same duro but the YHB will kick its ass in intial grip.
What screwd this up was last year we allowed the Yellow as we thought it was a hard tire. When MG changed it to a softer compound, we let it stay because so many had already bought tires. But this year we can correct a mistake. That is why the yellow is out.
Doug, now that we know the yellow is softer than we thought but about the same as the YHB(other than the YHB will beat it on intial grip) then lets ok it for the Senior/Hvy and be done with it.
What makes this class different than the others that they should run a softer tire? I just don’t get it. Did Grame buy 20 cases of MG yellows?
Brad, what I understand is that the Senior/Hvy guys want to run the softer tire and lower weight. We are making this way to complicated, if that is what the majority of the senior/hvys want then let them do it and lets move on.
Brad, The question is not why the senior/heavy guys want to run a softer tire and lower weight. The question is why does the CSC want us to run a harder tire and a heavier weight? We directed the powers that be that we wanted to follow SKUSA Rules. The amount of rule changing within CSC prior to the first start is much more than any rule changes within the organizations that you all are trying so hard not to be a part of.
2 more cents…
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What makes this class different than the others that they should run a softer tire? I just don’t get it. Did Grame buy 20 cases of MG yellows?
What is is to you if we want to run a softer tire and lighter weight? if it brings us to the races, it’s better for you!. if there is closer racing then it’s better for you!
why is it so hard to listen to what your customers want!
This is the kind of stuff that drives people away from the sport!And no, I did not buy 20 cases of MGs. I still have 1 set left over from last year. and plan on buying more if they will be used in to the class!
I guess I am a little confused with your comments. The purpose of the meeting was to determine the rules for the year. The tire rules were discussed at the meeting. We have not changed anything from what was determined at the meeting. The racers voted on having the same tire rules as last year. That was a tire with a hardness the same as a YHC for all classes except for the Pro class which was a tire the same hardness as a YHB. I could care less what tires we use, I sell them all. I have always let the customers decide what they what, why do you think we have this meeting every year? If all of you want to change the rules then change them. I only counted the votes and did not vote myself so don’t blame me for anything you do not like!
All I am suggesting is it is easier on the racer with a spec tire, what ever brand you choose. As an old heavy guy I like the harder tires they are easier on me.
Guys I have little stake in this, right it looks like I will do one CSC race but if the tires are open I am sure one brand will be the hot ticket for that day at that track, which means if I would like to be competitive I should test what meets the rules. Being a casual racer but still wanting to be in the hunt, for me it may be the differance of racing that one event or not.
Again I am guy that runs 6-8 events a season, I don’t run for a championship or series points I pick and choose the race and track as my schedule permits.
Brad, how many senior class participants were at YOUR meeting? Did you mail out any flyers stating the date & purpose of the meeting, anything but listing the date on this web site? There are a lot of people that don’t do the Internet on a daily basis. And I’ll bet they did not know about the meeting. You have everyone?s name & addresses and could put out a simple mailer to inform them of the meeting and what is proposed. Here’s a novel idea have an absentee ballot for those who cannot attend! I choose not to go because the weather. Call me a puss if like, but I didn’t feel that the chance of an accident was not worth the benefits of the meeting. There are more people that didn?t attend for the same reason. The least you could do is accommodate the people that weren?t there by listening to them. I understand that this is serious business and you can?t afford to be flexible and accommodating. After all this is go-kart racing we are talking about!
You did not release/post the rules for over a week after the meeting, So that further delayed the response from people like myself.
There are a lot of senior drivers out here that do not know that MG yellows will not allowed, and will be pissed off to find out at the first race. Not to mention the novice drivers who seem to be absent from this site.Look at the list of names that I contacted about the weight. Have you responded to that request? NO. If you don?t trust my poll, then contact them yourselves. I am positive you will come up with the same results.
Right after the Steamboat race I started a thread about the 2004 ideas & rules. Did anyone from the CSC say anything about the MG Yellows not going to be allowed? NO!
Matter of fact did any CSC bigwig say anything about 2004 proposed rules? NO! that led people to assume that the rules would be the same.
It seems that if you are not part of the CSC click then you are left out in the dark.If you had 10 racers ask for a class that used a weed eater engine, one would be crated. Is this any different? We have a lot of seniors that want 395 lbs and MG yellow tires (or the same tire that SKUSA uses the YHB) why don?t you listen to them?
I?m sorry I won?t take up any more of your time.
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