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Well, I’m suprised at some of the theories mentioned as to why or why not but then maybe I shouldn’t be….
Brian, Safety should be priorty 1, if not then why buy a helmet or any other safety gear! This is club racing not Fomula 1!!
I was a believer before I saw Charles wreck at Greeley last year, so with that said, we are looking into one of the new braces and just wanted to make sure it would be OK.
Hopefully you never crash and hurt your neck.
Off my soap box for now
MikeySafety is a priority, priority 1. But, in my opinion and the opinion of one of the worlds BEST orthopedic surgeon who specializes in driver recovery it doesn’t seem to make a difference wearing a neck collar or not.
I’m not trying to pick a fight or anything here. I just feel that it should NOT be mandated. I think others have stated a great case about the level of comfort that the neck collar has taken away while driving. Last time I checked, your comfort level while racing is the SAFEST thing you have going for you. If you feel safe with one, wear it! If you dont, dont. Pretty simple.
Mikey, thanks for the concern about not crashing, but your about 24 years too late! Yes I have crashed many times since I started way back when. Broken elbow, ankle, concussions, and even a broken collar bone. I was wearing a neck collar when I broke my collarbone. Probably would of broke with or without the thing. It happened in 1986 around the time IKF made it mandatory.
And finally, it is all about the insurance company. It is basically what they deem safe. What really needs to happen is to have a full study on the effects of using one vs not using one. But of course that costs $$$ and I dont think that NKA, IKF, WKA, IRA, or any other karting insurance company is going to make the time and effort to put this long debated issue to rest.
Nothing but love for all of you, just stating my case.
BR
Former Director of Open Wheel Racing for Simpson Race Products (1993-1999)All………….If you look at my orginal post I was looking for a simple yes or no answer. I really don’t care what anyone else does if you don’t like them I’m ok with that. It your neck but I’m not ok with racing being more important than safety.
Going forward, no more suggestions from Mikey, just print the rules and if I don’t like it then we won’t race it’s that simple.
Mikey, signing off.
Re: New style neck braces
by Kart45 on Fri 02 29, 2008 3:27 pmAll………….If you look at my orginal post I was looking for a simple yes or no answer. I really don’t care what anyone else does if you don’t like them I’m ok with that. It your neck but I’m not ok with racing being more important than safety.
Going forward, no more suggestions from Mikey, just print the rules and if I don’t like it then we won’t race it’s that simple.
Mikey, signing off.
Mikey,
Think the forum members were just throwing around thoughts. Even if the Csc did not mandate them, pretty sure Tyler could still wear one. And no one has said it is going to change. Don may have the only rule book copy out there.I’m assuming you were asking about the Leatt style braces. I’ve heard nothing but good about them, except cost. Whats safety worth? There have been many orgs allow them, including the motorcycle sanctioning bodies. Do a Ekn search and find a lot of discussion from racers who are using them around the country.
If my wife would let me race? With a neck full of titanium, I would try to get a waiver for a Leatt brace (if not allowed) and also wear tethers to help with lateral g’s. If no previous neck injury, I would choose none.
Keep the suggestions coming Mikey!
I have to agree with every body who disagrees with the neck braces. The neck brace is a worthess thing to buy if it doesn’t work.
I’m not sure if they work or not, but I vote it to be up to the driver’s discretion. My dog just ate mine, and I don’t really want to buy a new one. 😉
Cody
Re: New style neck braces
Post by jack tracy on Fri 02 29, 2008 6:42 pm
I’m not sure if they work or not, but I vote it to be up to the driver’s discretion. My dog just ate mine, and I don’t really want to buy a new one. 😉Cody
Couldn’t agree more. And you just used the oldest excuse in the book there Cody. You can do better than that.
Run SP at the Super nationals this year and you won’ have to wear one.
Rick
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Curt, Jim, Brad and Stacy. Suggest making them optional for all senior classes, required for junior.
How could not wearing a neck support effect the track owners liability if someone suffers an neck related injury? I suppose drivers could sign a release and it may be a non-issue. Just my thoughts.
We will be prepared to wear them when we show up for the first club race at “The Track”.
If not required for Sr drivers, they will come off.
Eddy
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Curt, Jim, Brad and Stacy. Suggest making them optional for all senior classes, required for junior.
How could not wearing a neck support effect the track owners liability if someone suffers an neck related injury? I suppose drivers could sign a release and it may be a non-issue. Just my thoughts.
We will be prepared to wear them when we show up for the first club race at “The Track”.
If not required for Sr drivers, they will come off.
Eddy
This one is not my call Eddy. I am sure it will come down to the track owners insurance policys and the insurance underwritters of the CSC. Personally I would lean to Mr. Edwards take on this matter. I also wittnessed Charles yard sale at the GGP and it was not pretty, and Mr. Gordon is a very lucky man, due in part to his saftey apparel concerns. I have witnessed many serious crashes both locally and nationally and feel the drivers came away the way they did due to their neck braces. The best two I have seen were Kyle at Grand Junction going for a final pass to win, and that Knuckhead #22 on the RBI at the Black Rock Shootout, sorry I forgot his name, but both yard sales were horrific to watch and a true testimate to what a good helmet and neck brace can do to help.
Keep up the comments, we will be meeting next week to discuss many issues and this will no doubt be one of them.
Have a great weeked everyone,
CurtI’ll be a maverick and say yes to neck braces. :jump
Why should the Jr. drivers have to wear? I think it should be driver discretion in every class. If a lot of the products for karing are made in Europe and they don’t have to wear a neck brace than why should we?
Here’s an idea, how about neck braces manditory in all cadet and kid karts. In tag jr and up you should be able to choose…
This sounds just like the argument for the HANS DEVICE in Nascar a few years back.
I think the quality of the foam in the neck braces may make a difference. A lot of them have real soft foam that I suspect has little effect on safety. Azusa makes a collar with “NASA” foam, which doesn’t compress easily under a sudden load, though it’s quite pliable under gentle pressure. I got some of this foam for our other neck collars to get the same effect. The only down side is that it’s affected by temperature–it’s hard as a rock early in the morning in early spring and fall. (Just need to remember to let it warm up in the sun before going out.)
Broken bones heal–broken necks don’t. (Although from what I’ve read, the primary purpose of neck braces is actually to protect collarbones from the impact of a forward-moving helmet).
I would like to try the Leatt brace and see how it feels. I have heard from motocrossers that it can cause a higher risk for coller bone injury. EVS has been making braces for motocross for a long time and I have used many of them whan I raced, I recently saw that they are making a Leatt style brace that will be released in May at a cost of around $150.00. They designed it paying apecial attention to the coller bone area.
Mike
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