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OK, I know that we do not jump at every rule that SKUSA publishes, but, in reading up on the final rules release, I noticed that they altered the weights for the 125 moto and ICC combined classes. The new weights are Moto 125 at 375 lbs and ICC at 385 lbs. Is the CSC going to follow the SKUSA rules or what? Just trying to keep the 125 moto’s in the mix!!!
I hope the CSC will follow the SKUSA rules as closely as possible including airboxes (2 hole for ICC/3 hole for moto) and the new weight scheme. It keeps things consistant for people who intend to run both CSC and SKUSA, it also makes it easier to police and tech.
Yes, I also believe that we should follow SKUSA rules… Unless there is an apparent disadvantage observed during competition.
You 3 guys all run motos, no wander you like the new SKUSA weights. We still have our moto but we would still weigh between 395 and 405 depending what track we weigh at.
We need to have a finalized set of rules fairly soon, the first race is in 5 weeks.
Should we run SKUSA rules or voted on rules or WKA rules or or or or. Lets just get some posted. Sure we will grumble, whine or whatever, but we will probably all race anyway.
I like the Blackrock money race weight rules. 395lbs. no airbox, for the S1/G1 class.
Not pointing a finger at anyone. 12+ classes, 120+ racers, not an easy job.
Time to quit lobbying and start racing.
Bill
Both JB and Brad want to keep airboxes on motos as “optional” – they have said so. Fine with me – just about everyone knows my opinion about them anyway. If some of the moto guys want to run them — feel free just leave me out – except at GJ.
While I’m on the subject of airboxes, why do you think that SKUSA all of a sudden dropped the weight for motos? They realized that with the airbox, it ain’t an even playing field. BINGO!
Please, please remember everyone………….we are NOT SKUSA!
About weight: Sure a 10lb advantage on the ICCs would be nice, but 385 is fine with me too.
Lets post our damn rules and get on with the season!
Bill,
First of all, I am sorry your kart comes in at that much weight! When we met at the end of January, the SKUSA rules had not even been posted. Had they been posted I am sure there would have been discussion on the topic!!! SKUSA has completed their testing and have evidently found a discrepany in performance. They have probably lowered the weights to keep the moto’s on the same plane as the ICC’s. We all say we want fair and equal competition! All I am asking is that we try to level the playing field as close as possible. I am not asking for a major rework in the rules. I just want to be competitive. I would also like to have the rules finallized so that I can finsh up my kart and begin testing.
SKUSA lowered the weight for a moto with an air box. with out an air box the motos should have the same weight as the icc.
I don’t believe that SKUSA dropped 10lbs off of the motos because of the airbox or anything else. I believe that they did it because of what was displayed last year on the Pro-Moto Tour. The ICC powered karts were ALWAYS significantly faster than the SuperPro moto-powered karts (ICC w/airbox, moto w/o airbox). Check the SKUSA results pages to see for yourselves… Even with the 10lb penalty, I would still rather have an ICC bolted on next to me if I could afford it… After all, they are “designed” for the karts we race on, rather than “adapted” like the motos are.
Let’s stick with the SKUSA rules and be done with it….
I was under the distinct impression that we did vote on the CSC rules at IMI last month — we were “done with it” then.
Man ya’ll are making me sick ❗ Why can’t we just stick with the SKUSA rules. I mean ya, we are not SKUSA, but no one ever said we were or are trying to be. You have to admit that SKUSA’s new tech director seems like he has really put more than thought into this new rules package-he has done testing and working with the other sanctioning bodies. It looks to me like they have really taken the effort to do things right the first time,nothing aginst previous tech guys, but this way hopefully we wont have to change things mid-season so it will be competitive. I think Bill has a point- just post the rules and the people are going to race. They may not like it at first but you can’t please everyone and they do want to race.
Just my$0.02
PrestonBelow is a copy of what I posted on another thread. There has been nothing about changing the 125 shifter weights per the new SKUSA release. In speaking with Brad, he seemed inclined to leave things as is, which is what was agreed upon at the meeting. Any changes at this point are going to need to be discussed, and agreed upon by the track owners.
angie
2004 CSC RulesThe rules are out. No major changes from the previously released version. check them out here — 2004 CSC Rules
and of course, comment.On the TaG weights – Brad has posted some opinions on ekarting – copied here…..
Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 6:42 pm Post subject:
I have a few things to say about the weights and testing. First, I believe that Marty has done his best to get all of the engine importers and engines that importers would not provide together on this project. He has put in alot of effort in a short period time under pressure from everyone with many things unexpected happening at the last minute go wrong do you know what I mean? Thanks! There were three runs done on each engine. I did see the results of the testing and was surprised that most of the engines were very close in HP, within 1-1.2. I did not see the results of the Italsistem but if it has the power stated it should have more weight added for the digital Ign. There was not one engine over 27 HP. If the digital ign engine has 31 hp it should not weigh the same as the Sonik, Comer and Biland in Master. The easy kart had the lowest HP 24-25. The Sonik and Roc were in the 27’s, Biland, leopard, Rotax, Comer, BM, 26’s. In Sr I would have the Easy kart at the lowest weight 350, Leopard, Comer, BM, Biland, Rotax (with open needle on carb) weight 365, Sonik, Roc, Italsistem weight 375. Add 15lbs to Master all engines. It is up to Marty to release the results, he probably does not want to open that can of worms but I would If I was him just to get the brain damage over with. I would hope that they would be quick to make any adjustments and not wait for three races and piss everyone off if the weights they pick are a mile off. I do not know how they came up with the weights from the data I read.
-Brad Linkus
So, the weights are yet to be set in stone – on that note, he also said that the Junior TaGs (all the junior restricted motors that were tested) were very close in hp, and should be run at 320lbs for all of them. Also, we should try to keep the Senior, or unrestricted motors, out of the Junior TaG class… we don’t need to be piling on so much weight.Angie
FYI
from the 2004 SKUSA rulebook.
20.1.1 Racing Classes and Weights:
All sanctioned or affiliated events shall be made up of classes selected from the national
class structure and will adhere to license structure unless authorized by SKUSA.
Regional Directors have the option to choose available classes based on their
demographic concerns. Please contact your Regional Director for classes available in
your region. The Regional Director does not have the option to modify a class.
Approved Class Structures:
engine minimum weight license minimum age
1. SuperPro ICC 380 SA 16
2. Formula S1 ICC/Moto 125 385 ICC/375Moto A/B*** 15*
3. Formula MX Moto 125 385 B/C** 15*
4. Stock Stock 125 Moto 385 B/C**/ 15*
5. Super G ICC/Moto 125 395ICC/Moto385 SA/A/B 35 +
6. G2 ICC/Moto 125 420 A/B/C 15*
7. Formula G1 ICC/Moto 125 395ICC/Moto385 SA/A/B/C 35 +
8. Formula K1 Moto 80/85 360 A/B/C** 15*
9. Junior Moto 80/85 320 D 12-15
10. Novice Moto 60 & 80/85 260 E 9-13
11. TAG JR D 12-15
12. TAG SR SA/A/B/C 15+
13. TAG MASTER SA/A/B/C 35+
* Drivers minimum age, with current “Championship level experience,” may be
considered at 14.
** ?C? License for Rookie drivers, see 10.7.3.4.
***For Regional events only, and at Regional Director discretion.
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