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Jay
Why are you so against the Honda motor? Even if everyone took their comer motor to be dynoed and sealed who’s to say that they wouldn’t de-tune it before the dyno test? In my 1 year of running the comer I could de-tune it so it would pass the dyno test and then do slight modifications to gain more HP than the testing would allow! It seems that you and mr hannum are the only people against the supplied Honda program. Why don’t you just give it a chance. Even if you are running national events it is not that hard to change the gear, change the motor mount, and change the chain. If you want to run the comer so bad race it at the IMI club races.
Jay?
Ok, I am laying on the railroad tracks waiting for the little engine that thought he could to come by.
Supplied engine program for kidkarts – Excellent idea on a club level. This is where the development of on and off track skills and sportsmanship needs to start. The parent can get into karting for a lot less and see if they really want to spend 2 weekend days a month for 8 months racing. With the engine out of the equation, the parent can be completely focused on driver and kart.
On a regional level however, (the CSC) this is the next level of competition. At this level the driver and parent/tuner are further honing their skill with all the tuning variations associated with the engine/kart and various tracks. You work from a prescribed set of rules and as long as you stay inside the box. There is not an issue.
As for kidkarts in general, I feel 85% is the kart setup and drivers ability, the other 15% is the engine. As I have stated before, If people would spend the amount of time it takes to make the money to buy that special engine and spend that time fine tuning the kart and gaining seat time, you will be much further ahead than using a Flemming, Woltjer, Innis, CKS, Williams or one of my engines. It is all about tuning the kart and engine. I think Mr Luttrull can testify to changing a few key items on the kart one day at the track, he picked up a couple of seconds and we did this over the phone. There?s no substitute for seat time and allowing each child to progress at their own pace with positive support and feedback. A few of us in the class fought hard between ?04 & ?05 for a rules package that was consistent as possible with the rest of the country and the class made great progress, there?s just no good reason to through it away now. There you go.
Scott Smith
Great post Scott it is 85% chassis and driver, but for whatever reason it comes back to the motor. We had our motor blueprinted by powerworks in the middle of the season last year and Tyler was still finishing in last place. It is not until the driver feels comfortable that they come alive. Yes seat time and confidence is everything! Once they are confident that is when the motor comes into play. You can have the best motor $ can buy but if your kid is lacking experience well we all know that answer.
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Jay
Jay J. and Scott ? You have spent lots of time and effort bashing the Honda, without even trying it out. Just go up to IMI and try it, come out today when we are there. JB now has two available to use, I hear. My kids ran all of last year on stock Comers, and look how they improved over the year, yet we were still questioned about cheating, and torn down. We volunteered to test the Hondas to help Brad get the motors dialed in. Once you found out about the new motor, why did you start bashing and not get out there to try it and be a part of making it happen? I hope you have fun racing down at CRE.
Ken
(edited by Angie)Ken,
Congratulations on your first post! 😆
Ya’ll sound like a bunch of soccer moms and hockey dads! My son or daughter didn’t run or skate as fast so I’m going to purchase the most expensive cleats or skates and they will do better. What a bunch of bunk!
These are six and seven year old children! Their attention span isn’t very long. Ya’ll are acting like they are Paul Tracey or Danika Patrick waiting to race in the Indy 500.
No matter what happens, someone’s child is going to beat someone else’s child and the accusations of knausing starts! The crew chief (aka parent) cheated so the driver (aka child) can win.
The kid kart program should be about teaching safe racing skills in a controled and safe environment! In my opinion, the only kid karts running in the CSC should be children like Courtney and Wyatt, there because they have an older sibling or parent racing.
Enough said! It is Saturday and a beautiful weekend, go drive and race fairly!
– What is the percentage of factory rated performance variation within Comer 50s vs. Honda GXH50s?
What it the performance variation within ANY kart motor group? I don?t have the answer to this question, but really don?t think it is an issue. If you saw them run, you would see they are all pretty darn close ? and will allow the driver ability to shine. The Comers had a reputation for having a great variance within a group of motors.– Why were only host track drivers invited to participate in the ?rigorous testing??
It is not that there were certain kids ?invited?, but as Brad was the one doing the testing, he used the kids that are most often around at his track. Once you found out about the Honda, you could have called, or gone up to IMI and been a part of if, too.– What is the maintenance schedule for the supplied motors?
I don?t have the exact answer on this. I don?t know if there is one. I am sure every time the motors go back to IMI after a race, Brad will inspect them and do any maintenance he deems necessary. This doesn?t need to be public information. As long as the motors are kept running, and performance checked, it shouldn?t matter.– By what method is it determined that a motor is in need of a rebuild?
Again, Brad will be maintaining the motors, and this will be his determination on a as needed basis. And, to answer the next question that you would ask?.. I am sure that he will make sure that a newly rebuilt motor is not substantially better or worse than one of the worn ones.– Why was an honest question regarding the format of the testing not only not answered but sarcastically brushed aside?
I can?t answer this one, sorry. It wasn?t my place to answer the question.– What are the reliability test results on a motor that will have to turn 7000+ rpm when the optimum operational rpm is 4300 rpm?
I think we could ask a similar question of the Comers. Also, Brad has been in the karting business long enough that I think his judgment can be trusted.– If the starter cord breaks on the pre grid will the race be held up so that the CSC sponsored pit crew can make necessary repairs?
This could happen to anyone with any motor. Not likely to happen, but IF it did, every effort would be made so that the kart could be fixed and the kid make the race.– If a motor does expire during competition will the driver receive a finish position equal to the position they held when the motor let go?
This is a good question. I don?t have the exact answer at this time, but you can be sure that every effort would be made to make the situation fair for all involved. I mean, c?mon, stuff happens, and we can?t spell out EXACT resolution to every single ?What If?? Those kind of situations are difficult, but are a part of life, and further teach the kids about racing realities!– What are the brand names of the Kid Karts available without Comer motors, who are the dealers and what in the price?
Brad had found some, he will have to answer that question.– How many Hondas will be available at any given track and if more karts show up for practice and/or a race than motors are available, by what method are the motors distributed?
This will not happen on a race day. More than likely preregistration will be required, so that we can make sure that this doesn?t happen. And there will be extra motors available for switching out, or other special circumstances. Each track owner will have to work out the practice day situation.– If the carb is found to have dirt in it and damages the performance, will that heat or main be re-run?
Again, you are asking for a specific answer to a ?What If? situation. There are many factors involved here, and I can?t answer that question at this time.– Why were the participants in this class never officially polled for their input and ideas?
They just weren?t. We aren?t even sure who all of the participants are going to be. You haven?t registered for the CSC. This was never a class where parents get to have a vote to see what happens. What the majority of the parents want is not necessarily what is best for the class, and for the sport. I know you may not believe it, but Brad really has looked at this as a fair solution for the class.– Why can you find 8-10 Comer Kid Karts on a given weekend at a track practicing and only find 3 split between two classes at an actual race the same week end?
Because the race was the first race, and at IMI, where it seems some Kid Kart parents have chosen to not participate in the club races. Why those parents have made that choice, I don?t know.I have 2 Honda 50cc’s here at Bandimere , and so far not one Kid Kart mom or dad has asked to test the motor other than one day Jay was here when I was in progress installing one on one of my rental karts — he didnt wait and I couldn’t hurry , however , I am still offering a $10.00 test of the motor in your kart or I will loan you kart and motor for a test ride.
J.B.
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