Jr 1 class: note changes for 2004 CSC

[J.B. Olmstead]

The expansion chamber pipe is allowed for the Comer 80cc”s ,
I don’t know what a “Vevery” pipe is , and don’t care what CRE does or don’t do.
I have a hunch that the Comer 80’s have more than enough entrys to justify separate scoring , we’ll have to see what the numbers show !
Hope this helps .
J.B.

[Anonymous]

Thanks Doug and JB for the clarification…. The “Vevery” pipe and I have heard it also called Vevey pipe is a brand name of the “race or expansion” pipe I was asking about.

thanks
don

[Brad Linkus]

Dnew

#1 All track owners are to have the same rules and classes for the CSC series. What they do on their own series is up to them.

#2 Since most of the Comer 80’s have the pipes they can keep them. We just lowered the weight for them 20 lbs and should wait and see how they compete. If it proves out of balance with the other engines then the weight will be adjusted.

#3 We did not allow the timing to be adjusted last year and to keep parity between the other engines we will leave it with the stock key.

#4 I would have to ask how old your son is? Kid Karts are 5-7 yrs Jr1 8-11 yrs.

[Anonymous]

OK, this is getting ridiculous.

First its WKA for the Comer and WKA for the Animal except gas.
Then its WKA for the Animal except gas and factory cam.
Then its WKA for the Comer except the pipe.
Then its WKA for the Animal except gas, factory cam, and stock timming.
What next?
How many more nexts?

My engine builder is about to freak out on me. He and I need to decide what engine to build and how.

I have now idea what to buy!

Why are we still making rule changes?

When can I safely spend some money on engines?

Rod

[Brad Linkus]

Rod

I will make this clear one more time. Everything in Jr 1 & 2 is the same as last year with the exception of Flatheads get billet rod, the Animal gets to change jets (gas), Comer is 20lbs less. These changes were made at the meeting not on this forum! We ran the stock cam last year with the jet the engine came with and stock timing.

[Anonymous]

Brad,

OK. Yes, you and I are clear, but the written rules still do not reflect that. My aim is to build and run to a set of printed rules. I don’ think you want to print out this whole Forum to tech protested engines.

I missed the meeting and therefore relinquished my right to bitch about the rules, and I have not. I just want to see them in print. We have seen how consistant people’s opinions are on what was said at the meeting. Is having a complete set of printed rules 26 days after the meeting too much to ask?

Rod

[Anonymous]

Thanks Brad for answering those questions.

Conner is 7 years old and will turn 8 in June. We were planning on running him in just the Junior 1 class this year. Our goal was to get to the middle of the pack by year’s end. But I talked with another dad who is going to run his son who is also 7, in both the Kid Kart and Junior 1 class albeit on separate races days. (Kid Karts for CSC only and Junior 1 for track races.) After being told that this is illegal and reading it in the WKA Tech Manual that it is also illegal, I just wanted to know if this is going to be allowed.

Thanks once again,
don

[Angie MacEwen]

Does anyone have anything else on this subject? I finally understand HOW we got to this point, although it doesn’t make it less frustrating.

So, I am wondering what else we need to have spelled out? Are there any other increases in power to any of the three motors involved by making the change to WKA? Like, are there any differences for the flatheads in the rules like there are with the Animals. If so, we had better take a look now. Unfortunately I only have the pages from the 2003 IKF book that pertain to the Animal. If someone has the info for the other two motors and wants to share, please let me know.

And on the pipe for the Comer 80, don’t we need to include some specs on it. Saying they can run a pipe is leaving it pretty open, isn’t it?
Remember we want to keep them all equal, and we don’t need more HP for these kids.

I know there are a few folks that are concerned about some other items… like bodywork. The way I understand it, bodywork is non-tech, is this correct?

angie

[Joe Rosse]

Hi Angie. Let me add my thanks for all the work you’ve done!

As to your question about the pipe for the K80, as Don and John said, the “standard” Comer pipe is the Veyvey pipe, sometimes also known as the Vevery pipe. It’s spelled out in the Comer maintenance manual, which can be found at: http://www.teamgennari.com/comermaint.pdf

[Anonymous]

Hi Angie,
I believe Brad is telling us except for the ?exceptions? the backbone for the rules are WKA.

So basically that means to me that unless otherwise exempted we must have OEM parts according to WKA. Thus for example Comers, flat heads and Animals can?t run self-align ?race bearings, ? have to run all their rings, no porting, etc.

My specific questions would be:

1) As I ask the other day, can one race in both Kid Kart and Junior 1? Are we following WKA rule book or not in regards to this?

2) Since there were a lot of Animals last year that were all Generation 1 versions, do they have to spend the money and follow the WKA rules for this year and bring the motors up to the same specs as new version of the Animal, Generation 2 (flywheel, flywheel housing, crank etc) or can the leave them as is?

3) This is loosely coming from the WKA rule book, but I am hoping that they will not take ignorance of any rules as an excuse for not following the rules, policies, and guidelines set forth. So if that is the case, doesn?t that sort of imply that one needs to get a hold (purchase) the backbone of our rules (WKA Tech Manual)? I don?t know, but is that going to be an issue to some folks?

I don?t know what the difference is between the IKF and WKA flathead rules are, but Brad and Rod probably do.

Regarding the bodyworks I followed WKA rules for height, width, etc, so I believe I should be good to go.

I am not trying to be anal-retentive here, but there are reasons I am asking both the questions from the other day and these questions today; I don?t what to have to explain to my son for example why he was DQ because I followed WKA rules regarding timing, but CSC series says it is illegal.

Thanks
don

[Anonymous]

@B Fleming wrote:

Maybe we should all buy pedal-powered karts and just leave the motors out of it, you know soapbox derby style, we havn’t tried that yet.

B Fleming

I’m with you…

What type of wheels, gears, chains would be legal??

Also, what’s the weight??

John

[Anonymous]

Damn it!!!! I knew that there would be some exceptions

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