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Doug
I am not a lobbist, I had nothing to do with the determination of the weights. I was there to install the engine and to guide them with tuning the engine. I asked Marty how he was going to determine the weights and his answer to me was he was going to look at the data and make his best guess and see what happens at the first race. Do you think that is the best way to do it? I don’t think so. The only testing done in Seattle was on a chassis dyno. The testing done in OK involved both a track test and a chassis dyno. The testing done in OK was last year and not all of the engines were represented. I was not there for the test but I did see the results. The time frame that Marty had to work with did not let him track test any of the engines. I will tell you that there will be adjustments made as the season progresses.Brad, so Dougs idea of sitting tight sounds good, how about we all agree to it +10lbs and wait for the first race in Jacskonville and then make adjustments? MG yellows(this is my subliminal message)
Brad,
Thanks for the info. I was just curious and you answered all my questions.
I want to applaud you for going to bat for the motors which you supply. I am just surprised that your able or allowed to make a rules adjustment on the merchandise which you sell.
No matter what is said, it going to look like you have your business in mind first and if you can get away with it more power to you.
Just my two cents
Tom
Brad, If not a lobbyist, then why not start the season consistant with the rest of the country and go from there? Oh, and if anyone plans to fallow Doug W. advise and throw away your scales, Please throw them our way, we need a set of those worthless things! 😉
stacey, if you can get together a rep from each motor, i will represent the parilla, you have the rotax and the ROC, we just need a sonik, jim keesling could do that, a biland, plenty out there, any others that need to represent a tag.
if you can get a true mass of people out of this, i will see if we can go
Brad’s first race , march 28th is usually a Non-Points race , much could be determined then !
Brad , is 1st race Non-Points ???
J.B.Nothing can be truly determined at the race. I knew going into GJ and IMI that I was going to win….I also knew going into Bandi and Steamboat that I wasn’t going to win. I don’t know why this is so hard to understand for some of you? Each motor has an advantage at certain tracks. Track competition is one thing, but there are different caliber drivers on different chassis racing for different reasons…some guys are trying to finish, some are trying to win, others don’t have the $ to fix if they broke – some don’t like fast tracks. Bottom line is you should quit trying to fight what the drivers want and abide by Skusa weights…change with them. I haven’t seen one driver/kart owner (CUSTOMER) come on here and state that they DON”T want Skusa weights. If Skusa weights are broken then they will fix them and the CSC can change along with them. Why are the simpilest things the hardest to change?
Dennis Garwood my man, I could not have said that better myself!!! Its nice to know there are others out there who share my concerns. Its hard to believe that something so simple has so much trouble escaping the vises of politics.
Funny thing about last year…
With a Rotax I took first at CSC round #6 race.
I also worked my a_ _ off to get to 208 pounds so i could compete.
I also practiced at Bandemere so I would do well.
What does that say for heavy guys on Rotaxes that scale at 397#?Mike “its a conspiracy I’m tellin ya” Jansen
For the record, I like +20. LIKE IT WAS LAST YEAR 😀 😀 8)
Mike,
You had an awesome performance in the 2nd race held at Bandi. I was probably your third biggest supporter behind your wife and Sam at that race…you came a long ways last year and you will be a strong challenger for this years title. With that said and you always know there is a butt when it comes to me, the 2nd round didn’t have the same # or types of motors represented.For those of you with short memories, here are the results from the 1st round at Bandi:
Place Driver Motor
1st – Mitch Wright – not sure what motor Leopard I think
2nd – Greg Gherasim – Leopard or Sonik
3rd – Chris Thode – Biland
4th – Lee Gagna – Leopard
5th – Mike Jansen – RotaxI’m not sure what motor Mitch had on, but I believe it was a Leopard…Mitch is also a real good driver so you have to take that into account.
The second round had 5 Rotaxes and Leopard. The Leopard took 2nd because you had an awesome drive and blew everbody away…the rest of us were pissing down our legs trying to figure out how to drive that slow speed track. My excuse: I had to change motors between heat and main – thanks Preston and didn’t have any setup time (my own fault for not testing)and and my chain fell off 4 times before I finally pulled off (I had to make sure Rich pulled off first for points).
I’m not trying (although succeeding) to stir up trouble this year – I still plan on coming out to race at IMI and/or GJ for atleast 1 CSC race. I’m just trying to point out the obvious..Rotax has a distinct advantage at IMI and GJ – Biland has a clear advantage at Bandi and Steamboat with the Leopard being the best overall motor to have for this year. I will put $ on it right now that Jack Warrington wins the series driving his Leopard, barring any racing incidents that keep him from a top 3 in every race. I’m assuming that Benny’s not racing this year so that will remove one moving chicane from the field. 😈
Denny, do not forget who you were behind in GJ the second time, a leopard won the overall race with 2 bilands right behind me. Mitch was on a leopard, and Greg was on a leopard as well. The second time at AK, 1/2 overall were leopards, followed by a biland, and mike jansan if memory serves correctly. A leopard qualified at 40.5 at steamboat (spilt classes) i forgot Jays qual time, but i think it was .5 slower. Don’t doubt the leopard, it is as equal or better in some situations then a biland, sonik, or rotax. But in other cases, it is behind those motors.
Leopard highlights
2nd, 8th, 10th in las vegas
Masters win in las vegas
Masters win in RIGP
4th in SR in RIGP (you tell me if it was a leopard)
and a few othersRotax his its share of tag accomplishes, and so does biland and sonik. not tryin to stir anything up, but the leopard is just as good if not better then anything else out there
You’re right about Mitch. It was a leopard. Brand new/just broke in as I recall. Only one afternoon’s practice ever on that track. Checked out on the first lap both the semi and the final. Awesome drive by an awesome guy.
Im pretty sure/almost positive Greg G. was still running his Rocket/Leopard at that time.
I’d tend to disagree on thw Biland performance at Bandi and S-oat. They did very well at both venues, but only in part due to any sort of mechanical superiority. Chris Thode did pretty much rule TaG sr at Bandi, but except for CSC races never had a lot of competition. I’m not traying to take anything from Chris as he’s a great driver, but again never had much in the way of competition. A Biland (Chris Thode) won TaG Sr at S-Boat, but only after Jay Jacobelis who had been enjoying a massive lead until he tried to stuff it under a a backmarker who wouldn’t yield the line in turn 1. Chris was there and went on to a win. Again not to take anything away from Chris. That was a very tough field and the racing very competetive. Finishing second would have been a honorable finish, but he got lucky and finished first.
.In most cases at Bandimere, the best, or most experienced driver generally won. Dennis, you would have kicked ass if you’d have put in a few more saturdays practicing there. Mitch won his race because he’s just plain awesome – probably one of the more underrated drivers in Colorado. Chris and his Biland did well, cause he put in the time and overcame some nagging mechanical gremlins
Basically I’d prefer to say that talent, practice and preparation was of greater import than engine package. And that was running under “last year’s” rules. Good, close racing where talent, prepartation, and practice were the premium and one engine/chassis or another.
I sponsored that class last year. I would have prefered to race, but things didn’t work out that way. Just the same I was very proud of that class, the way it’s season was conducted, and each and every one the people who stepped up to compete in a relatively new class with untried rules (except for a certain Biland driver who shall remain unnamed). I considered it the Premier class – great racing, great drivers, great show. Better than any of those prickly shifter guys.
Of all the classes in the CSC last year, TaG Sr had the best thing going. Now why are you guys trying so damned hard to screw it up?
@Dennis Garwood wrote:
Mike,
You had an awesome performance in the 2nd race held at Bandi. I was probably your third biggest supporter behind your wife and Sam at that race…you came a long ways last year and you will be a strong challenger for this years title. With that said and you always know there is a butt when it comes to me, the 2nd round didn’t have the same # or types of motors represented.For those of you with short memories, here are the results from the 1st round at Bandi:
Place Driver Motor
1st – Mitch Wright – not sure what motor Leopard I think
2nd – Greg Gherasim – Leopard or Sonik
3rd – Chris Thode – Biland
4th – Lee Gagna – Leopard
5th – Mike Jansen – RotaxI’m not sure what motor Mitch had on, but I believe it was a Leopard…Mitch is also a real good driver so you have to take that into account.
The second round had 5 Rotaxes and Leopard. The Leopard took 2nd because you had an awesome drive and blew everbody away…the rest of us were pissing down our legs trying to figure out how to drive that slow speed track. My excuse: I had to change motors between heat and main – thanks Preston and didn’t have any setup time (my own fault for not testing)and and my chain fell off 4 times before I finally pulled off (I had to make sure Rich pulled off first for points).
I’m not trying (although succeeding) to stir up trouble this year – I still plan on coming out to race at IMI and/or GJ for atleast 1 CSC race. I’m just trying to point out the obvious..Rotax has a distinct advantage at IMI and GJ – Biland has a clear advantage at Bandi and Steamboat with the Leopard being the best overall motor to have for this year. I will put $ on it right now that Jack Warrington wins the series driving his Leopard, barring any racing incidents that keep him from a top 3 in every race. I’m assuming that Benny’s not racing this year so that will remove one moving chicane from the field. 😈
Marc,
I agree with what you said. I have never dogged the Leopard and if I was still in Colorado and going to race the CSC full time I would have bought a leopard, in fact there was one with my name on it already orderer but my move to S.C. got in the way. I firmly believe the Leopard is the best “overall” motor. It is not the best bottom end, best mid range or best top end motor but is the most consistant in all three of those categories. That is why I said that Jack should win the Tag Sr. class driving a LEOPARD. Keep in mind that I am only comparing the 3 most abundant motor packages that race – Rotax, Leopard and Biland.sorry, missunderstod
Ya, mitch drove like hell at the first state race at AK. Kicked everyones ass, i remember talking to him about it that afternoon before, it had never been started, 24 hours later, he had one by a long shot
Good job
Chaz,
Good to see that you are still alive and kicking! The problem with comparing the Biland from the outside is that NOBODY drove that package last year locally that was worth a shit EXCEPT for Chris Thode (I am only talking about SR Class) I actually got the chance to drive the Biland at IMI during one of the last IMI club races. Brad let me drive one of his rentals during practice or qualifying (I can’t remember) I didn’t have a transponder because I didn’t want anybody to know what times I was turning, but I was timed from the pits…crude as it may be I was turning 55.9’s and 56.oo’s consistantly on an an untuned kart, with an untuned motor, tires that were worn to bricks and making all kinds of driving mistakes. I quickly put the kart back in the garage for reasons that I will not discuss openly. It is a solid motor that lets the driver mess up through the corners and still recover due to its power band. I digress….I am truly basing my opinion from the RIGP and my own experience on the biland and racing Benny (who was self admittedly 15 pounds light at IMI for the 2nd CSC race but that is another story.)
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