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Freeze,
From what I have witnessed, it is the “fast guys” that are fast. They can strap on whatever engine pkg and be at the front, if not in the front. They have the driving experience and the tuning knowledge.
Tom
Okay, I searched a couple of other sites, and didn’t find anything about no SKUSA here next year. Could someone at least point me in the right direction?
Or better yet, let’s have the some informed postings about that on this site…
Kurt,
Look at Kart Sport Mag. site, The Paddock, Rocky and Bullwinkle Show, Ping!!.Doug Sez: (Quote)
“Just where is the big SKUSA going to get it’s racers for next year? Its 99% sure they won’t be back in Colorado. I’ve personally talked with the track owners and not one wants them back. That leaves Tom and Terry. Tom doesn’t even put the SKUSA name on his series, he’s no fool. That’s leaves Terry. And the word on the street is that Joe’s trying to run him off.”
Personally, I think with Jim’s efforts of bringing SKUSA back to CO last year was a blessing. The Nations Cup was the first Big Race this region has seen in quite some time. We had a good set of rules to race with and SKUSA’s support of those rules was second to none. We had some good classes to choose from, and had the option of adding some non SKUSA classes with their blessing. Running a top 10 National plate at Vegas was something I never thought we would ever get to do. Thanks Jim and SKUSA!
I vote for as little change in the rules and events as possible. I vote for Greeley and I hope all of our CSC staff decide to come back for another year. We should be talking about what we have and keep the momentum moving forward, not making negitive statements about a National Organization who is on our side.
I know Doug is very passionate about karting and his family. I am not trying to start anything with him. He has made some accurate statements in the past and some pretty bad ones too. This is why we should all attempt to meet and discuss our 2006 options. There are only about 10 of us that frequently use this site to post, however, there are many more out there who do not like this type of forum to voice their concerns and opinions. Or we can wait and see what’s really going to happen in 2006.
Happy Holidays, I’m Out.
Ok Tom, So you are wanting to race driver handycap style. I shure don’t want anything to do with that. That to me is just like taxing the rich to feed the poor, or setting a minimum wage to cure poverty. When I win, I win. I shure don’t wont the real winner karting around an extra lead weight so I have a chance to win.
“This Spring, If I can take the time, I will do the testing. Then, we can know how much to take off or put on to “level” the field.”
Jim please don’t take this the wrong way, but why would everyone beleave in your test?
Thats is why I posted:”The biggest problem I see is finding that one test or method that everyone would use to equalize the motors for differant tracks.”
I don’t see TAG doing real well untill there is one test, one rule book, with one main person or orginization in charge. Im not a TAG racer, so I have a limited amount of experiance with my opionons and questions. Jim are you in charge of the TAG orginization?Freezman,
No, I’m not in charge of any TaG organization. I’m just trying to do a test in a controlled enviroment. One kart, one motor, one driver. vary the amount of lead. Same time of day, same tires. Start checking times.
My point is, Why is there 10 lbs difference between moto and ICC?
Why 10 lbs.? Why is there 30 lbs. difference between TaG motors? Why 30 lbs.
I know no one has done the proper testing. They used race results to determine the weight. Different karts, different motors, different drivers.
Instead of standing on the sidelines yelling, I’m going to take my time, document the results, and if people want to believe it, fine, if not, that’s fine too, at least I will know what makes a difference.
Trying to take a step forward,
JimI see Jim. Yep it doesn’t hurt to try. In your test even the placement of the lead would yeild different results too. Then another next step would be to test a nother motor package and see if it has the same effects. That is after you have ran the first motor over it’s limit of distruction to see if that helps your lap times too. It does get very difficult to come up with a controlled test to try and equallize things that are used in a out of controll event like racing motors go threw.
I have accepted the fact the no two motors are a like. Just like no two drivers are a like. My point would be, why do we think we can make them all a like? Why do we need to mix a bunch of motor manufactures into one race?Its a falllicy to think that lead alone can balance the various TaG packages. The engine characteristics are too different. You bring up a good example, why 10# weight break for motos at the Supernats. Clearly its wasn’t enough. Yet if you talk with some knowledgable people, the motos were delivering more power. Yet they were slower. Do you know why? How much lead would you have to take off to make them even? I would contend that you can’t take enough off, the power characteristics of the motors are just too different. You need to find .5 a second and that would take stupid amounts of lead.
I can give other examples. The weight and power characteristics have a huge impact on how a kart handles. And unlike what most racers think, handling is everything, the motor is secondary. A chassis designed for 350#, will not work near as well at 395#. A chassis designed for 40hp running a 30 hp motor will not do as well as a chassis designed for a 30 hp engine. We can even change design based on tire used. For example, I have in our shop a chassis designed specifically for the Rotax engine and the Mojo tire. It is completely different from anything I’ve ever seen. Yet to most racers, it looks exactly the same as every other kart out there. But I can tell you that it is faster than a regular Tag chassis when running Mojos.
Given all these variables, do some of you think you can still use lead to balance the karts at the local/regional level? It is a very rough equalizer at best. If lead really had a signficant impact, how could a guy like AJ Hathaway, who is way over the minimum, do so well behind the wheel as he has. I’ve seen him take a kart that’s at least 40# heavy and beat guys running on weight.
This past wekeend, we delivered a new chassis to a customer in Florida. He got the kart on Friday, put his engine on it and raced it on Saturday, with no chance to test or practice. It qualifed on pole, .4 second faster than previous track record. The kart, while it looked like a normal kart had a couple of significant differences. Not your off the shelf kart yet it conforms to every rule.
Ya, with all these tag motors and lead talk. I have been waiting to see a motor come along that has a real big advantage and gets penilized with a bunch of lead. I would start the collection of money to buy AJ that motor to race with. That’s what TAG needs if your going to run a bunch a differnent motors it would be best if they had more known dispairity.
Heck with the weight issue. I think no weight needs to be added to any kart. If fat and out of shape thats the penalty the driver gets. Yes to those wondering i would qualify as fat and out of shape. I weigh 230 lbs. I don’t race but if I did I wouldn’t have to add lead to any kart i drove with any motor package.
Brian Moore
Father of Brandon #77 jr1 comer 80 and novice shifter
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