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- December 2, 2005 at 9:19 pm #51969
Curt Kistler
ParticipantRick,
According to a post on another web site from a local authority, there will be no SKUSA in CO next year.Did anyone call you for your input on this? They did not contact us either.
I guess we will need to wait to see what the rules will be and go from there.
December 3, 2005 at 12:13 am #51970Anonymous
InactiveCurt,
Doesn’t “Local Authority” stand for someone who has been elected or appointed to a position of trust. Or is it also used for someone to spot off his or her mouth on ideas as if they were fact.How old are your ICC’s, we still use the one we bought in 2003. It seems to be fine.
As far as tag goes. One brand of motor declared at the first race, run same brand all year.
Notice I only commented on the classes we participate in, should be more of this.
Bill
December 3, 2005 at 12:56 am #51971Doug Welch
ParticipantRich
What do we do if a guy buys an XYZ motor and it turns out to be a real POS. Broken cranks, no parts availabilty, etc, etc. Do we tell him he has to keep throwing money down a rat hole or that it sucks to be you? We had this same discusion last year about switching motors for different tracks and while we didn’t have a solution, but it wasn’t a problem last year either. What about one change per year?
December 3, 2005 at 2:35 am #51972Tom Dennin
ParticipantWhy should anyone dictate to me what engine pkg I can use where? If I want to buy every engine pkg out there just for the fun of it and race different ones at different tracks why should I be stopped? Just because everyone wants to Keep “the costs down” they want to limit choices????
Keeping cost down, give me a break. If your so worried about cost, stick to one engine and don’t worry about things out of your control. How many people are really going to buy different engines for different tracks? Why not worry about the lead sleds we drive in TAG? Why not worry about your driving skills? Why not worry about your tuning skills?
The fast guys will be fast no matter what they drive. This has been proven time and time again.
December 3, 2005 at 2:06 pm #51973Rodney Ebersole
ParticipantRick, ya I got my stock Germantech motors in, wow I am turning laps faster than all ICC’s. Not bad, for just $12,000 I am getting faster laps while staying undetechable with their stealth stock disappearing money package. You want their number? :cheers:
Really, I guess I am in the poor class so I can comment about it.
It is nice not to have to get up to a buzzing alarm clock during the hibernation season up here. The sun coming up later and going down sooner helps out too. I did switch to a cheeper beer and cigarette’s.
Just not shure how long it will take for the wife to notice she’s only getting a days worth of labor out of my weeks worth of work.
I plan on going racing January 20th at the Loveland Budwiser event center if I get a chance to sneak $40.00 out of her purse so I get get rid of my old wooden tires and get a set of real snowblower tires.
I could use a sponcer. Provide your own stickers, $40.00 for my tires, $70.00 for ice studs and an eighteen pack of bud light and I’ll make the snow cones in front of 5,000 Motorsport/hockey fans.
I’ll be running my suit case motor again if it doesn’t blow a hinge.
Up here the Local Authorities just provide new tax plans to increase their salaries. Isn’t that what they do down there?December 3, 2005 at 2:22 pm #51974Rodney Ebersole
ParticipantTesting my computer abilities.
December 3, 2005 at 4:18 pm #51975Anonymous
InactiveRespectfully,
anybody can go out and buy anything they choose, but to race in a club series or Rotax max or CSC you have rules to keep the competition somewhat even. The shifter ranks has turned into whoever got the most money gets to do whatever they want. I for one don’t want to see the Tag go that way.
As mentioned the fast guys are the ones with great driving and tunning skills, but we need to keep this tag division competitive-close racing, and growing. Increasing the advantage of the fast guys with motor change outs for the different tracks does not accomplish that.
Maybe the fast guys should be moving up to another class, instead of hanging around cleaning up.
As to what happens if a motor purchase is a bad one: anybody who wants to go out and buy a new fangled type motor other than the established and Proven ones is crazy. You get what you deserve. The rotas, bilands, leopards, sonics, etc are all established and proven-buy one of those.
Isn’t controversy fun! :loony:
December 3, 2005 at 4:26 pm #51976Anonymous
InactiveRod,
Which track are you going to run that motor at?How many cylinders does it have? I’ll get their number from you and order late next year, just before they reach obsolete status. Guess I like to buy high and sell low!
For God’s sake, get up earlier and go back to good beer at least. I’m sure that days labor is full on precision to say the least!
Can’t you just “chainer up”? And come on Rodney, everyone has known about the siutcase motor in your golf cart for years, (they say you can’t break those taiwantanuim hinges you know) Can that snowcone be beer flavored?
Bud Light, oh my you have gone to cheap beer haven’t you.
Curt, not sure where you guys have been. You missed the decisions for next year poll!……. It came before the all important “how long is an off season” and “what Vegas games do you play” polls.
Guess I missed the call too. I wish large impact statements could be made on this site so I don’t have to go digging for it on some lounge forum.
December 3, 2005 at 4:32 pm #51977Anonymous
InactiveYou beat my post by moments.
Looks pretty severe duty! Breather off a big block Chevy. After seeing this Rodney, I don’t think you should let kids drive your golf cart!
December 4, 2005 at 6:30 am #51978Joe Rosse
ParticipantI’ve gotta agree with you, Rich!
December 4, 2005 at 3:54 pm #51979Tom Dennin
Participantanybody can go out and buy anything they choose, but to race in a club series or Rotax max or CSC you have rules to keep the competition somewhat even.
Two things about this statement. First, I have yet to see the “fast guys” go out and buy track specific engines. The oppurtunity has been there. If the weight equalization technique could become track specific then the engine/track conversation would become moot. If I was a betting person, I would suspect that it would not be the “fast guys” buying engines rather the intermediate racer to try anything possible to get to the front guys. If this is true then the racing would be even closer.
Second, one can not compare a club series to a spec series and then to a regional series?? Three completely different type of events.
I understand the notion of keeping the TAG class close, competitive and cost friendly but the only way to achieve this is by better wieght equalization techniques. I still say go to the Touring series method of weight equalization and I guarantee the track specific engine conversation will become a thing of the past. Why not try it? At a track like IMI or Bandimere where it becomes very apparent who’s fast and who is not.
Tom
December 4, 2005 at 4:02 pm #51980Brad Linkus
ParticipantThe only way to make the engines equal is having the weights track specific for each engine. That is what I have been trying to do for my club races. I was obvious which engines perform better at each track. The national rules should also take this approach. What we have now is a one or two engine class.
December 4, 2005 at 4:25 pm #51981Tom Dennin
ParticipantI think your approach is correct, but it needs to be attempted when the field is at it’s largest (ie. CSC event). Otherwise, the data becomes skewed. The only reason I suggest the CSC event is that it appears this is when most everyone shows up to race together. Why not attempt to delete weight for the slow guys and/or increase weight for the fast guys? Deleting weight would be preferred. It seems like a simple approach. I would bet that most everyone has some weight added to their kart just to be legal.
December 4, 2005 at 4:32 pm #51982Rodney Ebersole
Participant“Respectfully, anybody can go out and buy anything they choose, but to race in a club series or Rotax max or CSC you have rules to keep the competition somewhat even. The shifter ranks has turned into whoever got the most money gets to do whatever they want. I for one don’t want to see the Tag go that way.”
Rich, Go what way? Is there not rules in the shifter classes too?
I really don’t see any differances between TAG and Shifter racing. Booth classes have racers that would do, buy or try just about anything to win.
Sorry but it’s too late. Whoever got’s the most money can get whatever they want. 🙂 What, you don’t want the rich fast guys to race TAG? Heck in any class them rich fast guys are what provides us poor sort of fast guys our good used equipment.Controversy is fun, I hope they don’t get rid of it in my sport.
December 4, 2005 at 4:44 pm #51983Jim Keesling
ParticipantTom and Brad, you guys are heading in the right direction. I get so frustrated when someone yells loud enough to get the rules changed to benefit a weak motor or a bad buying decision.
Let the market fall into place.
If you buy a bad product, bad decision. Lets not change the rules to help out a bad purchase.
We all make mistakes.
Weight can be an effective tool as long as we know what weight does.
Nobody last year did proper testing in a controlled environment to test weight and the effects. Using race results is the WORST CASE situation for comparison. Too many variables, period. This Spring, If I can take the time, I will do the testing. Then, we can know how much to take off or put on to “level” the field.
Everyone out there from the Tech officials, to race promoters, to fellow competitors throw around 10Lbs, like they all know what 10 Lbs. does.
I at least know it makes more of a change at the senior level than the Masters level, and makes more of an impact at the junior level. What impact? I don’t know. I just love the answer that 10Lbs. adds 1/4 sec., a 1/2 second. etc… And then the dyno results. Once again, point of reference, not real world applied.
Keep the thinking cap on, eventually we will get a fair and good answer.
Bye for now,
Jim - AuthorPosts
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