07 TaG weights

Normally I wouldn?t even think of writing a post in regard to any TAG class. Primarily because I wouldn?t have a clue what I was talking about, (obviously this principal has not been adopted by everyone in regard to the other classes). However, in this case I feel that over the past three years I and we, in Colorado have been enlightened about the natural future of Karting, (even if the rest of the country is in the dark) and, that the answer to that future is obvious including the TAG class. What seems surprising is that proponents of this solution, (already implemented in other classes) have not already applied it to the TAG class. Particularly with the constant discussion of varying motor packages and endless weight jockeying. The very same advantages and benefits enjoyed by other classes could now benefit the TAG class. So here?s the obvious choice: 1. It?s a four stroke (?the wave of the future? anyway). 2. It has 24 reliable hp. 3. It has 12 volt electric start. 4. It has a wide power range so it will simplify gearing for the newbie?s. 5. Its EPA friendly. 6. You can buy one (or more), get parts and service at dealers world wide. 7. It measures 16?x18.5?x18?. 8. It only weighs 94.8 lbs. 9. And the very best thing is that you can buy them all day long (and will probably have to) for under $1,300. 10. Its even manufactured by one of the largest most respected engine manufacturers in the world and has a long history of reliability. I?m telling you, this is the answer to all of our TAG issues. Only one engine, you could even seal them making tech easy, one weight so no problems at the scales. True, you couldn?t race it anywhere else in the country but we all know that so few of us actually travel anyway that we can?t really consider that as an issue. Just because the rest of the country has a relatively consistent and successful TAG program doesn?t mean that Colorado can?t pioneer a new direction, go off on its own exclusive path! The answer has been right in front of us the whole time?.the Honda GX 670! The key here is to be ahead of the curve. Don?t wait until you have to have one, get one now. Be prepared. Reconfigure your chassis tubing ahead of time making for an easy transition. Driving tip: Practice every so often with your seat half way over the left frame rail so that you will be used to that. I?ve heard that an elliptical steering wheel works well with this package and that an elevator shoe worn on the right foot makes it feel almost like normal when trying to reach the throttle pedal. Some may have trouble getting used to that while walking around in the pits but I guess we could dig a narrow trench around the pits and designate a set direction for foot traffic. That would all have to be worth it, wouldn?t it?

Scott Hannum

Kirk,
To answer the orginal question,
TaG USA archives the weights for the packages that still run, but maybe not in great numbers.
You still can run with the CSC, just check out the archived section of TaG USA.
Hope this helps.
Jim

Scott,

Why can’t you just say what?s on your mind instead of creating your own soap opera. If you have a problem with me and the Honda engine, which is obvious from your previous post, spend your time telling everyone what you think is wrong with them and my concept of a controlled engine package. You can also explain what you think is so right about the Comer engines. What do you think the Comer was used for before it was used on a kart? It was a weed eater engine, or a leaf blower engine, or what ever it could be used for. The Comers were not designed exclusively for kart racing. All I am trying to do is offer an engine package that will grow the sport at the entry level. Cherry picking parts to build an engine for an entry level class will never accomplish my goal of growing the sport. There needs to be more control of the engines for the entry level classes so that parents can concentrate on driving and chassis set up instead of how to buy a win with a special high dollar engine from Mr. May. If your post was not about me then who was it aimed at?

Blink,
As a self appointed visionary that thinks outside of the box you really should do your due diligence before sticking your foot in your mouth, especially in this age of information technology. Absolutely everyone, including Honda will agree that their engines are made for general purpose use. Your assertion that Comer engines are just weedeater and general purpose engines, of poor quality is untrue and unfounded.

I would suggest that if anyone out there wants to know more about Comer KART racing engines that you visit http://www.comer-topkart.it and get the information from the horses mouth instead of the other end.

Comer-Topkart is located in Bagnola, Italy and has been involved in the production of kart racing engines and chassis’ since 1990. You can also visit http://www.zipkart.com in the UK were the they build and SEAL the W60 for MSA competition. Apparently there are other visionaries that think outside of the box who have beaten you to the punch….and they have done it internationally.

A boxstock Comer K 80 junior kart racing engine, including a factory clutch can be purchased and sealed for approximately $815.00. The Comer rod is good for better than 60 hours with recommended top ends at 15 to 20 hour intervals…..that is four top ends before replacing the crank and rod. Many of them are very competitive well beyond recommended service intervals.

The Honda GX200 engine, that you are purchasing for $360.00 to 380.00 wholesale and then propose to modify for a Junior class is WAY too much engine to give an 8 to 9 year old entry level racer. These are the same engines that you are using for your rental fleet to push adults around your track at 45 to 55 miles an hour……..have you considered how fast they are going to be on a cadet chassis at 230 lbs.?

Don’t worry Scott, I’m sure I’m not the only one who got the humor of your post. But, dude, poking wild animals with sticks is a bad idea….fun, but bad.

Now that the arguing has started again, I think I may go back into that dark room, the voices in my head are less annoying! :loony:

Drew

Tom,

I understand it is a living document but, if the Csc is going to accept where Tag Usa is now (or at a predetermined point) and not make changes throughout the season (as we did with Tag Usa’s weight change to the Sonik mid season, which I agreed with) we could make decisions for next year.

Is the Csc rolling with the changes as they come or are we going to firm things up as before and keep it the same for the season?

Scott, what is this new Tag motor of which you speak? We are very interested!!!

And Tom, Maybe running a Shifter or Rotax is not a bad route. You have one of everything anyway. Don’t you? Ah, except the improved performance reduced weight package! Lol

Rick

Yes Les,

Jim responded to his question on page 2 of this thread. If your drivers are considering running an engine that is not current in the listings, see below as well.

Jim Keesling
PostPosted: Fri 01 5, 2007 11:39 am Post subject: Reply with quote
Kirk,
To answer the orginal question,
TaG USA archives the weights for the packages that still run, but maybe not in great numbers.
You still can run with the CSC, just check out the archived section of TaG USA.
Hope this helps.
Jim

Rick