by Kart45 on Wed 12 12, 2007 2:32 pm
A. Each CSC event would be 2 day shows
B. 2 races at each track
C. 1 drop
D. make 1 race double points.
E. At the completion of each main event a number is drawen from a hat and that number represents a specific tech item. example #6 would be the cylinder head volume or CC. and this would be the tech item of the day for that class.
D. A title sponsor for the series.
Personally I like Mikes (Edwards) ideas.
Seems to me the Csc has no “premeir status. It is just blended together with the club series now. With a hell of a lot of races to choose from! Why can’t we look at making this series a little more elite? We pay more for entry fee’s, can’t this go to making this a better series? Or maybe we should just all run the club series? The big difference between Club and Csc is a few racers from Utah participate and Grand Junction is included. It was said the Csc killed club racing a few years back. Nows it seems be shifting a little. Is the Csc financially healthy enough to be a premeir series? The racers really have no idea of what the money goes to and where the series stands in that regard.
Why can’t we have 2 day races? We spend real close to $400 per race day per kart to run the Csc. ($4800 per year in entry / parking, fuel and tires alone, in a six race series) I would be ok with running each of the 3 tracks 3 times for double races. (and make Grand Junction double points to get participation over the hill) Pay twice the entry but only pay the expenses for getting there one time. Don’t see what the difference is to the track. If we pay for an ambulance for two days back to back, or two seperate days. This applies to workers etc… Seems like 3 weekends of Csc racing would free up the club and Rotax dates. Freeing up more rental kart days too. Same money to the track owner. I don’t think this can even be compared to a Skusa or Stars National event?
Let there be one drop. Roman Dnf’d the first Csc race. We were done, we could have parked it for the year at that point. We raced out of respect and sportsmanship to the other racers and track owners. If you don’t allow a drop, your screwing up. See if spending $400 per day knowing your out of the running for a Championship will keep participation up. I understand, not everyone is going for a Championship, but if you’re running at the Regional (Csc) level. You probably are. I know the points are hard to calculate, but if you print it out, do some figuring, you can do it. Maybe some help from Angie, but it can bo done, I know.
Re: Karter meeting following the banquet
by Doug Welch on Thu 12 13, 2007 7:31 amAngie MacEwen wrote:
Nothing for next season is set in stone. No schedule has been set, no classes have been decided on.I’m not picking on you Angie so please don’t take it that way. But in a way, I think this is a sad commentary on the state of our sport in Colorado. Most of us have already stated our opinion at various times on this forum and directly to the track owners this fall. I know I have and I know that many others have. By this time the track owners should be announcing the results, not asking for more input. They should already know what we want. Another meeting of table pounding and someone getting PO’ed and walking out is not what we need.
Maybe things have been mentioned by the racers and have fallen on deaf ears. For example; we ran the Rotax series here and supported the complete series, even supported the series after clinching a Championship by running the last race and buying fuel, chain lube… whatever The Track had for sale, we bought from them, and did all year, to support the series and track. There is no mention of recognition for this series. Seemed a little gray to me. Do we get a trophy, gift certificate, an atta boy…Just sounded like everyone who wanted to go was going to get to go to the Grand Nationals. We would have gained better data durung practice days vs race days.The Gatorz series awards their competitor’s with a new fr125 package, or a free test and tune in a car or a free bicycle to the young ones, and so on. For next year, in my opinion, there are 5 drivers, who, if they choose to compete in Rotax Masters. Of these three of the 5 are going to qualify. Are only 5 going to enter? Will this series have good turn out? We considerd running a DD2 this year after speaking Doug about the package and it’s benefits, particularly to a heavy driver and speaking to theRamos’ at the Grands and Supernationals, regarding the coming popularity of the DD2 and the posibility of a Masters DD2. Then hear our local DD2 will run over 35 only. A true “Masters Class”? Not what Rmax will do, but what we will do locally. That leaves Roman out. Even if the DD2 will not run in conjunction with Rmax, it sure would be nice to rack up the laps in conjunction with future DD2 Masters competitions here and elsewhere. They don’t want to run with Roman. Rotax believes in a place for Heavy drivers. Oh well. Not a option, one entry gone there.
by Mike Jansen on Thu 12 13, 2007 10:20 am
CSC comments:
Too many classes. It’s like raising bunnies. That said, combine the small classes. Action and not talk. What’s the cut off number for DROPPING classes?
Tech in the lower classes. GREAT. That way parents know their kid got beat by a better driver and not engine. Put that dog to rest, please. If they’re willing to tech, they’re willing to pay for it.Trophies to the top 5 in the lower classes. Give them something to aspire to. Not to just show up. It’s called competition. Get used to it. You’ll learn about it when you grow up might as well get a glimpse of it now.
Double the entry fee (or higher) if you want to race saturdays and sundayS, the track owners deserve it. And count me out. I have a career that needs my attention. I have no aspirations to make it to: NASCAR, F1, IRL, CHAMP CAR, WRC ETC…
If you DO keep the classes diluted by having a lot of options and choices for the same age groups, then you need to rid Sunday of PRACTICE. Practice on saturday or midweek, whatever. F1, NASCAR, Indy and Champ don’t practice race day, why should we?
Tech all the classes. I love Mike’s idea of puling a number out of a hat and that’s what they look at that day, that class. We need tech and consistent tech in all classes, not just juniors.
I doubt Classes will be added Mike.
I don’t think trophys down to 5th is needed. We don’t even care about the individual race trophys. It’s the regional Championship we want awarded, and what we shoot for in the Csc.
I Loved having a temp circuit included in the Csc. That was killed last year. Not sure if the racers had a say in that?
Not sure if the meeting will amount to much. We don’t have a series that stands alone. It may be best to just have the closed door meeting. And you either fit or you don’t. You’re thoughts or opinions may not matter anyway. These decisions have / will be made without input from the meeting anyway? Right?
More importantly, we’ll have fun at the banquet.
Rick