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[Tom Dennin]

While at SSGP, my wife asked a me a question. If the leopards and/or the Sonics have an advantage at places like Steamboat or Bandimere why don’t you get one of those and have two (ie. a Rotax and a Leopard or Sonic)?

I didn’t have a great answer for her. I know that I will be getting a new chassis, but what engine? Do I stick with a Rotax and have a spare? :idn:

What about running two classes( TAG Sr. and TAG Master) with two different karts? and maybe two different engines? I saw a few people running two classes and they looked awfully stressed and didn’t seem to have much leisure time.

I am just looking for some opinions and thoughts on this.

Thanks,

Tom

[Taylor Broekemeier]

Tom,
That’s not abad idea at all to have the right engine for the right track. As far as I know, there’s no rule about running different engines for different tracks but I’m not sure. As far as running 2 TaG classes their is only 1 person I know that does it; Jack Warrington. He runs a Sonik and adds 30 lbs for Masters and takes it off for Senior. There are guys that run 2 different classes like Marc Elliot does. He races TaG Sr. and 125 Pro. Switching weight all the time might get a little old after a few go ’rounds.

If you do decide to look into another package, come see me. I’m selling my Sonik/RBI package since I will be in shifter’s next season. I will be racing at IMI on sunday so stop by and check it out, or you can PM me.

[Dave Galegor]

Ok I know I’m going to get hammered for this one.
Buying a different motor for each track is up to the racer and they have the right to make that decision.
But the idea of buying a motor for each different track kind of goes against
the work that has been done by SKUSA and TAG USA and the whole concept of AFFORDABLE racing.
As SKUSA and TAG USA have stated, the rules will be modified as needed to keep the karts as even as possible.

This may be an idea for consideration.
Since the CSC now has two years of data on which motor package has an advantage at each track, what about adjusting the weights for each motor package for each track?
This is something that can be done but we all have to know going in IT WON’T BE PERFECT.

OK, there’s the idea. I’ve got my armour suit on, ready for feedback.
(If you like it, good. I can take off the suit)

Dave Galegor
“Make racing driver ablity, not ass national ability”
BTW: Angie, if I can’t say ass let me know 😀

[Anonymous]

A couple of thoughts:-

1/ Declare the type of motor you will use at the beginning of the season only 1 motor type change allowed per season.

The problem with this is that if the series is up for grabs at the last race all the rotax users could still change to Leopard/Soniks for Steamboat and have an advantage. over the Leopard/Sonik users who didn’t couldn’t change to a Rotax at IMI earlier in the season as they would have had to stick with it for the rest of the series.

2/ Points are awarded to a driver engine combination ie Betts/Leopard gets series points but Betts/Rotax starts off a new set of series points.

Whatever the solution I believe that this need to be addresed for the 2005 CSC. Maybe the Biland also seems to be looked at as this package dosen’t seem to florish anywhwre?

[Tom Dennin]

Dave,

In regards to adjusting weight, leave it to SKUSA/TAGUSA. They have the data. We here in CO are at the mercy of the driver. For example, Donal or the Welch brothers, no matter what they drive they will be up front. They are just good drivers, which is great. It makes everyone strive harder to keep up. It would not be fair to penalize the others. By the way, Donal drives both a Leopard and a Rotax depending on which track he is at. You guys remember Donal the TAG Sr. CSC champ.

Jon,

I do not see the problem with two engines. I currently have two Rotax engines at my disposal. I have started to understand the Rotax. So it would be hard to go away from it. When we go to tracks like Bandimere or Steamboat you just know you better have your stuff together. I think it presents a challenge. I assume it is the same way for the other engine packages at the other tracks.

Another thought, when The Track at Centenial opens are they going to be running a Rotax Max Challenge? I hope so because that would make my decision very simple.

Keep the feedback coming I think its great.

Tom

[Anonymous]

From what I have seen (and that’s not much!!) it is more than just a challenge to win with anything other than a Rotax at IMI. Also (correct me if I am wrong) the TAG senior series winner ran a combo of Rotax/Leopard depending on the track. I just think that this not inline with the TAG principle. The ONLY reason we switched from 125 pro to TAG halfway through the 2004 season was beacuse I just could not afford to run shifters competitivly. I think this was also the case with other people (Welch’s). If I now need to have 4 motors (1 race and 1 spare leopard and Rotax) to compete then we are back in same boat and will probably not race karts at all next year.

[Anonymous]

Two different types of motors shouldn’t be allowed. The great thing about running Tag is that the driver wins, not necessarily the motor package. We all know now that the rotax is great for GJMS and IMI, while the Biland/Sonik/Leopard are clearly better at Bandi and Steamboat. There are equal races at short technical and long fast tracks and quite frankly the duel motor package makes it a money sport again. Nip this issue in the ass early on, it’s not good for the sport or the series.

[Anonymous]

:sun: :sun: :bs:

[Anonymous]

If you have the money for 2 motors…..you have the money to race shifters, which are quite a bit faster, unless you aren’t fast enough to keep up with the guys at 125 pro. Just a thought

Not a very good thought at that!!!

New Leopard $2,300

New Swedetech Pavesi $5,000 +?

Right now we only have one Leopard motor bought used. we travel 400+ miles each way to race in the CSC as the kart racing down here just stinks! So I will consider investing in another TAG motor just to be on the safe side an to avoid a very silent 400 mile ride home when I jet it “just a touch too lean” in the qualifying!
I just don’t want to (nor can afford too) have to get different motors for different tracks.

I agree we would never run “up front” in 125 pro but unless I can give my son the best equipment thet is capable of winning then I am not doing my job a a dedicated Father and team manager!!

Lets just cut the wise ass bullshit and concentrate on the issue at hand, which in case you have forgoten is should the TAG series allow different engines for different tracks?

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