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I was wondering if anyone out there is interested in a TaG masters, like what was run at the supernationals, over 40 and or 200 plus body weight. I have talked to a few people that are interested in a masters class only becuase they may have a hard time meeting weight, or do not want to run against younger drivers. There are many rotax masters drivers that would probably run the CSC Masters, and i know of at least 10 (total) who would probably be interested as we speak. TaG drivers, you should speak out and ask for what you want, the meeting is not for a while, but better the ideas be thought out now so that there is something to play with when that night come (god forbid we see those dreadfull pictures again)
Some thoughts for TaG
if masters were to come about, SR should be called
TaG International, like in the TaG USA rules
TaG JR
TaG Sr/MastersTo be truthfull and honest, i do not think masters will occur this year, but it will eventually come IMO. I personally think that many drivers would object to running the current SR class when they could be competitive in a Masters class, the Supernats race in masters was pretty good, so it is not a far shot,
40+ drivers, 200+lbs drivers, say ‘yay or ‘nay to mastersIf given a choice, I would run in the masters class to be competitive against the other drivers. Age really doesn’t have a huge impact, but weight does.
Thanks,
JimWhen the field gets over 30 karts, then maybe. Otherwise I’d keep it as it is.
Just stick to what ever TaG USA comes up with. Thay make the rules, not us, so dont change them. If thay have a masters, we should have one. Same goes with the weight, what ever thay set up, we should run
Even if tagusa has a masters class, doesn’t mean we need to. I’d much rather race against 15 than 5.
Loren
If the class sizes are big enough I’d split the classes and run by Tag USA weights, If the classes are small then run them together.
The more racers on the track the better the competition and better for the spectators. I too would rather race against 30 versus 5 or 6.
I agree with Jim. Age isn’t the issue but weight is. In the meantime though i like the thought of 20-30 of us roaring down the start finish line.
Mike Jansen
Rotax #27dI think you will find that there is enough “Masters” to justify a “Senior” class for TAG , as you all know , if we run two or more classes together at Bandimere , they are gridded according to qualifiing times . and scored separately !
We can be inclusive and accomodate various sanctioning bodies weight and age requirements.
Although some drivers feel age is not important , I tend to think it is!
Being 63 , racing 16 yr olds may seem exciting to some , but I’d rather not race against my grand-children.
J.B.If we get enough racers, say 15 minimum each for TAG USA Light and TAG USA Masters (30 total) registered for the CSC, then we should run two classes for the entire year so that people know how to set up their karts. We can decide whether to run seperate or together at each race depending on how many show up. Then we can use the TAGUSA rules for the classes and weights without modification.
For 2003 these are:
Section 1. TAG International – combined class weights
Rotax Max FR125……………. (27 hp) 365 lbs.
Sonik VX125…………………… (27 hp) 365
Sonik SL125…………………… (27 hp) 365
Comer……………………………. (27 hp) 370
Parilla Leopard……………….. (27 hp) 370
BM Jaguar……………………… (27 hp) 370
Biland……………………………. (28 hp) 375
Vortex Rok……………………… (29 hp) 375
Italsistem ML47H…………….. (31 hp) 39010.3. Class 3 – TAG USA Light Age……….. 16 years of age and older
Engine……. As per Section 1
Weight……. As per Section 110.4. Class 4 – TAG USA Heavy Age……….. 16 years of age and older
Engine……. As per Section 1
Weight……. Add 30 lbs. per Section 110.4. Class 4 – TAG USA Masters Age……….. 35 years of age and older
Engine……. As per Section 1
Weight……. Add 30 lbs. per Section 1This way we only have 2 adult classes, rather than the 3 from TAG USA. If you are over 35 you may run Light or Masters. If you are young and heavy you are going to be at a dis-advantage weight wise, but the only way to fix that is to add a class (the TAG USA Heavy) or use this class instead of the TAG USA Masters. If we do the latter, then we have the issue of the older guys racing with heavy kids. Above all, let’s not grow this to all three class unless we get a minimum of 15 drivers per class (45 total- maybe 2005?)
Rod Whetstone
Rod, are you going to run the TaG class this year? (I hope so!) I’m going to wait and see how the schedules work out and choose between the CSC or Rotax Class at CRE.
Why go to two classes instead of just one, one class where you just split the difference in weight between the two classes?
The problem with running two weight classes at the same time is that the lighter kart has an advantage. So the guys that are running for 10th and 11th in the light class, get in between the guys running for 3rd and 4th in the heavy class. If you’re in the heavy class and you get a slow light guy in front of you, you’re probably screwed.
yes jeff you are probably right, but at GJ, and Bandimere, the whole TaG field is gridded according to time, so in the case you stated, those guys would be simmilar speeds, andyes, the light kart will have an advantage, but if he drives like he has the weight, chances are the heavy guy, if a better driver, could overtake, again it depends on the situation, the light will be faster, but i have seen some pretty slow lighter weight guys
Marc, the way I look at it is which sounds more enjoyable, racing with the guy in front of you or the guy three karts in front of you? I’ve done both, and prefer it when it’s the guy in front of you.
When you have someone with lighter weight in front of you on the same tires, physics dictates the fact they can go through the corner at a higher speed that the heavier kart. Which also results in quicker acceleration out of the corner. Now if the heavier kart is on their tail, the lighter kart’s not driving at full potential. The highest probability pass (I think) is late braking off the longest straight, high potential pass, and high potential the guy turns into your side pod. But that’s what they call racing.
Basically, this is just a long-winded way of saying that when I’ve had a “racin” deal with someone in my class, it’s never been a problem. I’ve seen the problems come up when it’s between two karts in different classes, “hey, why’d you do that, you weren’t racing in our class”. It just sucks, from both sides.
Obviously, I’m strongly for one class, and just trying to understand the point of view of those that want two separate classes.
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