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I am thinking of buying a stock comer motor for my son to run, but have some questions about the teching of the “STOCK”motor. First are we allowed to adjust the high and low speed needles? If allowed to adjust them what are the min and max amount of turns out? What is the minimum amount of pad allowed on clutch shoes? What is the stock fulcrum height on the carb? What is the stock popoff pressure? What is the stock timing in degrees? What is the stock min and maximum of the diaphram? I am just so confused about this stock motor, and need these answers before I can commit to buy another comer motor.
Brian Moore
Brian, I don’t know why you are interested in this class. Brandon is 11, and is beyond the purpose of this class. This class is “a step up for the kids moving out of Kid Karts, or for the fairly new driver in this age range”. That does not fit Brandon.
As a matter of fact, this brings up an issue that is not addressed in the rulebook, but should be….. Once you move up in class – in this case, from K80 to Mini Max, Animal, or Novice Shifter, you can’t go back. I realize that it is not in “the book”, but will be posted as an addendum on the website (along with a couple of other items that need clarification in general).Taking the K80 back to a box stock sealed class puts it at a step between the Kid Karts and the MM or Novice Shifter. The situation last year where several kids ran K80 and Novice Shifter was a little different, as at that time the class was running at much fasters speeds. Brandon is already 11, and you should just move on. Brandon does well in his shifter, if you want to race in a second class, try the Mini Max ( it is a blast!).
As for your questions, you have some good points, and I will be getting answers ready for those that will be racing in this class. Whether or not the rules are detailed enough for your liking, there is definite “intent” for the class.Thanks,
AngieNow thats an interesting answer to my question. Is Brandon out of that class the answer is no. We have been racing comer motors for three years now. He also still has two years left in this class by STARS rules. He has not moved up in class but runs two classes that fit his age group. Is this the same syndrom that happens to occur at another track? Too fast for the competition and afraid to discourage competitors, instead of having a mark to shoot for? I sure hope the answer to the last question is not a yes.
Brian Moore,
Father of a comer 80 racer that fits class rules.P.S. If you cannot move back in class then how are ex pro I.C.C. racers allowed to go back to stock honda? Is that not a contradiction?
Brian,
This is not Stars. This is no longer a built engine class. It is box stock, sealed, and may possibly run with a spec gear. The idea here is to have a place for kids moving up from Kid Karts, or kids that are not ready for the speeds of Mini Max and Novice Shifter. We had dicsussed lowering the age so that it doesn’t overlap so much with Mini Max and Novice Shifter. Point is, there is a progression from Kid Karts to K80 to Mini Max or Novice Shifter, then on to TaG Jr or Jr 80. The same applies elsewhere…. for instance, even though the ages overlap, you cannot run Mini Max AND Tag Jr. Like I said before, this is a different focus for the K80 than we had last year. Going from Kid Karts to built Comer 80 is quite a jump. Sorry you seem to think this is personal. If you want to have some good, close, fun racing for Brandon, consider the Mini Max. With the RMax thing picking up, that class is only going to grow!
I am sorry that we didn’t get some of those details into the rules. Totally my mistake. That K80 class change happened last minute, and I guess there are some details that still need to be clarified.stock honda is not an age based or experience based class, it is an engine based class. Novice is, though, and a Pro cannot go back to Novice. He can, however, move to Masters. Drivers can run TaG Senior and TaG Masters at the same race.
angie
Another question. If I buy a stock comer you won’t let my son run that class? Im sorry that i do not understand your explanation of moving up in class. Please have the tech director clarify this to me preferably on the forum. If you can’t go back in class then I believe should not be able to run novice shifter and mini max either?? The mini max is much slower not as technical so what gives? Just because stock comer may be slower what does that matter? Going as fast as your driving abilities and kart will allow is the goal, not how much horespower you have. Competing against so called equal karts and being first over the finish line is what each competitor is trying to do. I welcome anyones comments on this subject, especially those who race in classes that are slower than classes they previously have driven in. The comer is a great class to perfect your driving technique and tuning abilities. I don’t agree with the CSC in making this a stock comer class since the motors are not equal from the factory. Put them on a dyno straight out of the box and you will see. Anyone reading this that runs stock comer contact me I will be glad to give you tuning help with the stock sealed comer.
Brian Moore
Im suprised still no answers? Are my questions that difficult to answer, or did it raise some worries about teching a stock class????
Brian Moore
Brian, There are kart races at race tracks. If you want to race in the races follow the races rules. Don’t like the rules? Don’t race, or orginize your own race track and rules. It is that simple. The only one that looks to be worried is you.
Hay I am still bitter over the mixing of ICC’s and Moto motors in every darn shifter class. I never felt it was the right thing to do. But you know what? So what, that’s the way it is and if I want to play I have to follow the rules. Life is simple, what are you going to do to screw it up?The rules are not well defined. That is the problem. I have no trouble following the rules when they are clearly spelled out. I am looking for a lot of clarification. Asking questions before there is a dq for something that is not written is the right way to approach racing prior to getting involed in it. If I read right there were only two comers and two animals at the first race? If that is the case who would want to race that class? Show up and either get a first or second place trophy. It looks like those two classes should be eliminated if participation does not increase. The mini-max may be the way to go especially with the track being involved with rotax max. Anyone have a mini max motor they want to sponsor my kid with? I have 11 blueprinted comers might be willing to work on an exchange.
Brian Moore
For whatever it’s worth, the mini-max race had a very large field and was one of the most exciting races of the weekend.
Great job drivers and parents!Yeah I would agree minin max is the way to go, but what do I do with all these legal “blueprinted motors”. Noticed the turnout was much better on the animal class this weekened, but whatis this deal with mod comer 80 is that a ported and polished motor? One stock k80? Last year there was far more blueprinted comers than are currently running in that class. What that says to me is it was not the money that kept competitors out but the rules or lack there of.
Brian Moore,
P.S. Anyone with a used rotax jr motor or mini max motor for sale please contact me. I will plan to send it out for a refresh and even a new cylnder if needed. I just can’t see spending $2700 for a non shifter motor.
Question:
Who in their right mind needs 12 engines? At 500 per engine (my guess?) that’s a heck of a lot of new mini max’s. Yet you’re squealing about a 2700 non shifter motor. Am I missing something or am I in a crack induced haze???
:bang :money
Brian,
It would be great to have Derick in the Minimax class, those kids in that class have alot of fun and very respectful towards each other… Stacey or myself can see about hooking you up with one!!! We are also a full service Rotax center.Thanks for being part of the CSC
Darren
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