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Have you ever got an answer on what the weights and tire’s are going to be for use old guy’s. If it help’s I think we should put concrete in the tire’s, that would solve the weight problem and just think how long thay will last. It should not slow down my lap time’s. I need an hour watch not a stop watch.
Stacy & JB have agreed publicly to the 395 weight and MG yellows/YHB tires. but it has not made it into the final CSC rules yet!
If we drop the wieght to 395, I have already been told by at least half a dozen drivers they will not participate unless we add another shifter class for the heavy drivers. We will not add another shifter class when we already have a heavy/old class. Five 125 shifter classes is nonsense. We already have one too many IMHO.
In My Humble Opinion
With all the drivers who have visited Bandimere of late , other than Drew , (approx 275lbs) not one has asked for the higher weight for G-1 .
Who are these mythical heavy guys , and where are they ????
ROFLMAO
J.B.
JB. I agree, please come foward so we can resolve this weight issue. We are running our forst eventthis weekend and the Senior/Hvey will be at 395lbs until we can all agree. MG yellows will also be allowed.
You know, for an “Outlaw Group” who just wants to race and have fun, we sure do spend alot of time crabbin’ bout stuff! 😆
The way I look at it, the 15 lbs won’t make a hill of beans differance to me, but it will to those guys who are racing national events. The fact is, if I ever wanted to race a national event, then I better be able to run with the 395 guys. Let it stay at 395. If the guys that Doug talks about are that dead set against it then let them speak-up!
As for tires, my notes from the Driver’s meeting said that we would be running the same tires as last year in the Viagra Class 😀 which means MG Yellow, YHB, etc. I know that I voted that way and that was my understanding. It seems to me that if it worked last year, it would work this year.
I will remind you all that this forum is not for determining the rules, you can make all of the suggestions you want . If you want to make up your own rules Stacey then get out of the CSC series and do your own races. The purpose of the series was for all of the tracks to be under the same set of rules. It was decided at the meeting to run the same tire rules as last year and that was a tire with the same durometer as a YHC /58 for ALL classes except for pro 125. This does not include YHB’s or MG yellow tires period! YHB tires were not allowed in the Viagra class last year and the only reason anyone allowed the MG’s is because JB said they were the same durometer as a YHC which was incorrect. Go to the MG web site and see for yourself. The weights and the tire rules were determined at the meeting and will remain that way until the meeting next year. If you allow MG yellows and YHB’s for any class other than pro than you are not going by what was voted on at the meeting. We will not have the rules different at each track, if that is the case then what is the purpose of having the series anyway?
Last year, the one man who ran G1 nationally, ran the pro class! The guys who want to run heavy are not mythical, they are very real and they have talked with me. Our heavy/senior class should be for the guy who is racing for giggles and grins. You want to run fast, low weight, sticky tires, run in the pro class. That is what Sam Walls did last year.
One more time on tires. We had this great debate last summer when we found that the Yellow compound had changed from a harder compound to a softer compound. Much of that debate took place on this forum. We decided at that time, we would allow the Yellow to continue becasue we had many racers who already owned tires and to make them illegal in the middle of the year would create an undue burden on them. At the time, we also made it clear that we would correct the problem this spring. And we did exactly what we said we would do.
To call the class a “heavy” class and be only 10 pounds more is a joke. Two classes only 10 pounds apart running exactly the same pacakge is just an excuse to hand out more trophies. It doesn’t encourage increased participation which is why you add classes, not to hand our more trophies.
The senior heavy class is for drivers who are over 40 and/or over 200 pounds. Yet a 200 pound driver is going to be up around 410 and will not be competitve. At 395 what your really saying is that it for old skinny drivers and not really for heavy drivers.
The series is supposed to be an inclusive series that ensure the maximum participation from all drivers. We have a fast class with sticky tires and light weight, its called a Pro class. Almost every guy who is asking for the lower weight could make the 385 weight to run Pro. We need a heavy/old class for the recreational driver who is carrying a few extra pounds who can’t/doesn’t want to take on the extra expense of putting new tires on every race weekend. At 410 and hard tires we have exactly that!
Brad, I don’t know who exaclty made you king for the day but you are not the only one deciding on the rules! The CSC series is suppose to be for the Drivers and keep all the politics out of it. Last year was great!!! But not perfect, there is nothing wrong to listening to EVERYONE not just you Brad and making decisions that the Majority wants. You sound like a politician, ignoring what is best for the whole group and doing what you want personally. After reading the Article that Doug is talking about and talking to all the Senior/HVY dirvers over here we agree that the weight should stay the same, However I think that the the majority of that class would like to run YHB’s and MG Yellows so we should do what the Drivers want and allow it. Who is it going to hurt? This is not the BRAD series like you seem to think this is a State series for all drivers and tracks that wish to participate! If GJMS needs to run their own series and bale on the CSC series then that is to bad, It will hurt everyone, But you sure as heck aren’t running anything on this side of the hill!
It’s become quite clear that the infamous “blizzard” should have been cause enough to re-schedule the drivers meeting !
I agree that this forum is NOT the place to determine or redetermine rules , however , several items were in-fact left on the table for “T.B.A.” depending on what SKUSA and TAG decided !
I for one would welcome an emergency meeting immediately to resolve these problems — Tag weights and tyres , Senior/Heavy 125 weights and tyres !
How bout it Brad & Stacy — you too Doug !
J.B.Stacey, JB, Brad and Doug,
I hate to see even the suggestion of breaking up the CSC. To me this is the best thing to happen to Karting in CO during the 5 seasons I?ve been involved. As for Brad ?declaring himself King?, I think he is just trying to enforce decisions that he believes have already been made at the meeting. Should this make him a bad guy?Half of the people will always bitch about the rules no matter what they are, but most race anyway. Trying to make everybody happy by changing the rules in March will not work, and it is not good. If there really wasn?t a decision at the meeting on weights or tires then the meeting was flawed; let?s not make that mistake next year. Perhaps following Doug?s advice on both issues would be best. It seems well thought, he doesn?t own a track, and therefore, he might be less criticized.
Personally, I don’t see the benefit of allowing soft tires for club racing. These will likely cost 2X more than mediums during the season, and this is way more than the $15 extra per race for better sound that was derided by some. Let?s have the club racers spend their money on race fees and travel to all the CO tracks rather than on tires.
I was not the one who made the rules, I did not even vote, it was the majority of the 150 or so that were at the meeting, not the four or five who are posting on this forum. How am I ignoring the racers if I am only supporting what was decided by the majority You are the one trying to force issues that were decided on by more people than are even members of this web site. I have always let the majority rule and it has nothing to do with me or my personal opinion.
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