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Ron, maybe I missed somthing…..was there an official announcement of a cylinder problem? Maybe a missing attachement to your message.
Thank you for the heads up,
Sam Sr.There is an issue with some cylinders. I have a gage to check them and can check them now. However, I’m just waiting for an official procedure from Rotax before I announce that we are ready to go. The good thing is that this check shouldn’t cost the customer anything.
I think this is the topic you’re looking for on EKN…
http://www.ekartingnews.com/viewtopic.php?t=68418Sounds like this deal effects mostly Jr. cylinders, but i guess they’re urging everyone to get things checked out. Doug, should all Rotax competitors wishing to stay RMax legal get this checked out?
Re: Jr Rotax Owners : Cylinder exchange
Post by Jon Romenesko on Sun 03 23, 2008 4:10 pm
I think this is the topic you’re looking for on EKN…
http://www.ekartingnews.com/viewtopic.php?t=68418Sounds like this deal effects mostly Jr. cylinders, but i guess they’re urging everyone to get things checked out. Doug, should all Rotax competitors wishing to stay RMax legal get this checked out?
Even if you don’t plan Running Rmax having it checked might be good.
The other official announcement is for all rotax’s to get up dated with a new double seal rule. The bottom end and the top end will now carry a seal. This will allow a service center to do a top end and seal it, with out having to tear down the bottom end and tech it, if it was previously sealed by a different service center.
In other words, you need to get a new butt seal by the last guy that was in there. 😯We also have the gauge and new cylinders in stock if anyone is over this way….
Grand Junction Motor Speedway…
A quick up date.
Rotax is asking that all engines come in and be inspected as part of the cylinder exchange program. The reason for this recall is that some engines are out of specification on the exhaust port height. If your engine has a defective cylinder, you will receive a new cylinder, piston, ring, piston pin piston bearing and all gaskets. To participate in this cylinder exchange program, you must have the engine inspected by July 31, 2008.
Rotax is suggesting that the customer be charged 1/2 labor for inspection and 1 hour labor if the engine requires a new cylinder. However, I will wave the labor fee provided the customer brings us the engine removed from the kart, cleaned and stripped of all components outside the seal.
If you call ahead, I can most likely do this while you wait.
The second program you need to be aware of is the dual seal program. All Rotax engines now need a second seal on the bottom end. This requirement is for all engines sealed after April 1, 2008. It will also include a new passport. Rotax is developing the protocol now and once I have it, I will have more information. I will have to charge for this service but since I don’t know what all is involved yet, I can’t tell you what it will be. I can tall you that if your engine has the dual seal, every Rotax series in the country MUST honor that seal.
I suggest the following of all Rotax customers. Bring in your engine this week for the cylinder inspection. It won’t cost you anything but your time.
That is very fair Doug!
Get em off and clean guys, so he doesn’t have to go through 2 cans of spray cleaner just to work on your unit.
Might be a good time to schedule that bottom end maintenance too?
Rick
Looks like I’ll have some work to do.
Everything off? We’re talking flywheel, electonics, carb, radiator and hoses, stripped to everything outside of the seal, right?
@D fresh wrote:
Looks like I’ll have some work to do.
Everything off? We’re talking flywheel, electonics, carb, radiator and hoses, stripped to everything outside of the seal, right?
Correct, Doug. Everything outside of the seal, stripped and cleaned.
Okay, some more questions.
As I understand it the cylinder exchange program is only in effect untill July 31st, correct?
And as I understand it the most suspected engines are the early production Juniors, correct?
If this is correct I have some questions.
What is the likelyhood that non Junior engine of 2005 (I think, I’m at work and don’t have my passport handy) vintage might be effected?
What is the cost of a new cylinder/piston/ring set?
I’m asking this because I definately won’t be able to get my engine in this week and I’d rather not spend the money to have the dual seals done as I don’t think I’m quite ready for any rebuild work as of yet.
For me I’m probably only going to get into a few TAG club races this season and at the very most maybe a CSC event or two. Would it be worth considering to simply wait untill I have my engine serviced next to do the dual seal and check the cylinder? I’m am 100% positive that I will not be competing in any Rotax Challenge events this season.
D-Fresh,
Look at it this way. If it is out of spec Rotax is giving you a new cylinder! A new cylinder cost a lot of $$$. Lets say you don’t do the program and you sell it at the end of the season. The first question that will be asked is, is it Rotax legal? If your a straight shooter you will have to tell them that you don’t know because the cylinder my be out of spec. Then, the value of your engine goes to zero. It isn’t often that Rotax gives anything away for free! Say, Thank-You Thank-You Thank-You and smile alot. As they say in Napcar- Git-R-done!
Another day, another up date. The only things I really need off the engine are the ignition coil, carb and radiator. Its easier to leave the carb with the kart than it is to leave it on the engine. Just remove the inlet fuel hose and lay the carb off to the side. The ignition system is two bolts and one disconnect on the back side of the engine. The radiator is two clamps and one bolt.
After a bit of arm twisting by the dealers, Rotax is waiving all fees for applying the dual seal. So both programs are a complete no cost to the racer. The only thing you have to lose is the time necessary to pull the motor and a can of carb cleaner so that we can crack it open.
There is no down side to racer.
@joe marshall wrote:
D-Fresh,
Look at it this way. If it is out of spec Rotax is giving you a new cylinder! A new cylinder cost a lot of $$$. Lets say you don’t do the program and you sell it at the end of the season. The first question that will be asked is, is it Rotax legal? If your a straight shooter you will have to tell them that you don’t know because the cylinder my be out of spec. Then, the value of your engine goes to zero. It isn’t often that Rotax gives anything away for free! Say, Thank-You Thank-You Thank-You and smile alot. As they say in Napcar- Git-R-done!
This makes sense, especially considering the newest update…
@Doug Welch wrote:
Another day, another up date. The only things I really need off the engine are the ignition coil, carb and radiator. Its easier to leave the carb with the kart than it is to leave it on the engine. Just remove the inlet fuel hose and lay the carb off to the side. The ignition system is two bolts and one disconnect on the back side of the engine. The radiator is two clamps and one bolt.
After a bit of arm twisting by the dealers, Rotax is waiving all fees for applying the dual seal. So both programs are a complete no cost to the racer. The only thing you have to lose is the time necessary to pull the motor and a can of carb cleaner so that we can crack it open.
There is no down side to racer.
I just want to verify I’ve got this right. No cost for either the cylinder exchange program or the dual seal application? Does this apply even if the last seal was not done by Shockwave? As long as we get them into you by the 31st of July (end of cylinder exchange) then we should be good to go, right?
Sorry I ask so many damned questions.
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