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WOW for an average of one post a month that one sure includes a lot of food for thought. I will only comment on one item at this time. I am very greatful that we had a sanctioning body this year with tech.. I know there were things that did not go right and even a few personal complaints by me. However we need a sanctioning body with written rules if not SKUSA then one of the other nationaly recognized sanctioned karting bodies.
Brian Moore,
Father of Brandon #77 comer 80 and novice shifterCODE OF CONDUCT ?????
Sott this is go kart racing most of the people are out here for fun. Sure we all want to win but come on who is going to show up with a collar shirt and khaki pants to get a trophy? Besides if you want to talk about a code of conduct why dont you look at yourself. And I quote “Cody 2
Dennis 0″ Why would we listen to a guy that trashes a 6 yr. old kid and the tech director. GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!Jay Luttrull
Jay,
I must be missing something. What is wrong with wearing, if not your driving suit, then at least a presentable t-shirt and jeans, to the trophy presentation? Who said anything about Kakhi’s and a collared shirt. Doing this for fun, doesn’t mean we have to look like slobs while doing it.“Cody 2 Dennis 0”
You are refering to an on-line post, not someone climbing into a 6yr olds face at a race. It is 1 persons opinion, posted on-line, and I’m not even sure it was directed at the 6yr old, but perhaps the adult involved with the driver. Either way, who cares, it was, what, 8- 9 months ago?
I think that we have seen/and or been a party to something that was to say the least unprofessional. We must all remember, that when we are at any track for practice or a race, we represent not only ourselves and our team, but the CSC/Club, Sanctioning Body, and the karting community as a whole. I will be the first to admit that I had my own “challenges” this year and for that I am truley ashamed. I also promise to do my best to not repeat those mistakes next year.
I assume that you are not dismissing everything that Mr. Hannum had to say because of this one issue. Personnally, I think he makes some very valid points. How about everyone else, what do you think?
Drew Kunter
I for one am NOT going to wear my suit in 80-90 deg temps after racing . In fact I’m going to wear shorts and a greasy t-shirt.
Scott,
I am not sure that we have ever met but your post is spot on! You have obviously been around Motorsports awhile.. Until we all get on the same page, do what is best for the growth of the sport and not our personal agenda’s we are going to continue to be the blind leading the blind. We as a group really need to take what he is saying here seriously if we want karting to grow here in Colorado..
Greg,
So are you saying that if a major company were to say, we want to sponsor the series or class, but they in turn expected a professionally run series and the ability to use photos of the race and awards ceremony in advertising. You still wouldn’t wear a driving suit for the 5 min. you would be on the podium?
What about if there was T.V. coverage?
For those of you that went to the Nation’s Cup, remember, Driving suits were required for the podium. It is if not about professionalism, it is and should be about pride in oneself and in ones sport.
I believe that if a Club does’t want to require/request proper attire on the podium, that is thier perogative. I however, believe that the CSC must go to the next level or the sport will not grow. The more that the CSC grows, the more the Nation watches, the more possibilites the CSC has to do things for the racers.
As the wise man on the other side of the hill said….”Until we all get on the same page, do what is best for the growth of the sport and not our personal agenda’s we are going to continue to be the blind leading the blind.”
I think Scott brings up some very good points but I want us to consider some other things.
It should be well known that I advocate fewer races in the CSC. My reasoning is simple. Too many CSC races is killing club racing and club racing is very important for our community. It gives new racers a place to learn their race craft before jumping headlong into the higher level of competition of the CSC. And we are in desperate need of new racers!
Secondly, too many races increases the demand for drops which in effect turn the championship into to an attendance award. Fewer races with NO drops makes the championship worth fighting over. I think a 5 race series makes the most sense, 1 race at GJ, IMI, Bandi, Steamboat and Greeley. The each track should do a 6 race club series, independant of the CSC and they can run what ever classes they want. If such a plan were followed, I have no doubt that club racing would flurish and that karting in our state would flurish. But if we do as I fear many are advocating, an 8 race CSC with 2 drops and a 12 race IMI club championship, we will see our numbers drop and we will have racers complaining, “Where is everyone at the club races?” We’ve seen it two years in a row, is anyone listening?
Fewer classes is always good. I would rather run in the middle of a big class (30+) than in the front of a 3 kart class. Four shifter classes with basically the same rules only the weight is different (10# hardly makes a difference) seems just plan silly. Why should the CSC have a novice class? Shouldn’t novices run in club races? The CSC should have only 3 125 shifter class, Pro (ICC and built moto), Heavy old (built moto and ICC at 410#), and Spec Honda (stock). At least in TaG, the weight difference between senior and masters makes sense.
Rules. No doubt this year was much better. With Rusty and Dennis, many of the aspects many of us have been complaining about have been greatly improved. Tires and fuel were checked at all the races I attended and thats a good thing. But who should we give credit for that, the CSC or SKUSA?
If you remember, we paid two fees at the start of the season. $50 to the CSC and $75 to SKUSA. I know what I got for my $50, for that I got Rusty, Dennis and Angie. The three who had the most impact on the series of any in the state in terms of the consistancy from track to track. It is they who are directly responsible for the operation of the races and I think they did a fine job.
Now what did I get for my $75? I got a patch, a decal and a book. Now lets look into that book a little closer to what was actually in it. The rules for running a race including an appeals procedure, yep they are in there. Rules for ICC shifters. yep there in there but actually they are nothing more than a repeat of the CIK-FIA rules. You can download them here.
http://www.cikfia.com Thats the bulk of our shifters.They have rules for modified moto shifters but hardly anyone runs them and besides, you can sum them up easily, they’re open except for a head volumn! That leaves only stock moto and K2 and K3. Yes they wrote rules for them but K2 can be found on Stars web site, and many of us argue that the stock moto rules aren’t really that good. There are better sets of rules out there for them.
That leaves us with Tag rules which come from TaG USA. http://www.tagracing.net So SKUSA didn’t do anything for us here. K-80 rules came from IKF and WKA, so SKUSA added nothing here. That brings us to the last class, kid karts. Those rules were written right here in Colorado, so SKUSA gave us nothing there. So outside of K3 and built moto, what rules did SKUSA actually provide?
I would rather take the money I gave to SKUSA and give it to the CSC. It stays in the state, in our community. If I got 3 people at every race, Rusty, Dennis and Angie for $50, then I can get 4.5 more people running the races if they get an additional $75 from me. A consistant crew at each race, from Chief steward to grid marshal would only make the racing better still. Besides, I’ve heard that the new SKUSA management doesn’t want junior classes anyway.
As far as the rules go there has to be a written rule book in BLACK AND WHITE!!! I hate rulebooks written in grey, and thats what we got in 2004. For me I will gladly pay the $75 for a patch as long as it comes with a rulebook!! Stop the download crap of the rules can be found here and there. If we go to that, lets just have one class run what ya brung no rules no weight and you will see my son with an ICC with nitrous on a cadet kart. Good luck catching him!!!
Brian Moore
Father of Brandon #77 125 ICC on Nitrous?Brian you better give it a little more juice. You’ll be eatin my kid kart dust with this. As for all the generator pilots, If You Can’t Run With The Big Dogs Go Run The Lights On The Porch. 😥 See Ya at the finishline.
Thank
Scott SmithVery Proud Father Of Landon Smith
Super Pro Altered Kid Kart #34We can beat that!!! That kart will have to much push, and engine geometry is wrong. But at least you went with ford engines.
Brian Moore
Father of Brandon #77 125 ICC with nitrousBrian
You’re absolutly right, we got a book in black and white. But at what cost? Last year, we had 144 racers who took points in the CSC. I assume that in order to get points, you needed to join the CSC and SKUSA. Now I know that some of those racers did double duty so lets knock off 10%. That means we most likely had around 130 racers who paid.
130 X $50 = $6,500 to the CSC. Thats $6,500 that went directly to the CSC for running the races. That is money that gave us the very thing that impacted the quality of the racing. It was money very well spent.
130 x $75 = $9,750 to SKUSA. That is almost $10,000 we sent out of state to buy a rule book. Since I’ve showed the sources of the rule book, might we have been better off to pay some one in state to download the information, format it and publish it? I bet we could have gotten it done for $3,000 and had a better quality of a rule book.
That would leave us with almost $7,000 to buy additional staff for our events! If we could double our staff, wouldn’t that make the races better still.
We can have our black and white rule book and we can double our staff with out spending one more dime than we did laast year. We just have to spend our money wisely.
“As for all the generator pilots, If You Can’t Run With The Big Dogs Go Run The Lights On The Porch.”
Statements like that do more harm to karting than a podium full of gressy shirts and jeans.
Scott Smith, you might want to check on your porch light, as it is a little dim and being very proud isn’t going to make it brighter.Doug,
Let’s see how this works from the other side of the coin.
Average Shockwave part – $40.00.
1 per kart on average
130 X $40.00 = $5,200.00Class sponsorship sent to Florida (outside Colorado) Priceless…
When do you want to work together with a positive attitude and help fix any of the problems you always point out?
Just wondering?
Jimps. the rule book cost $75.00. It doesn’t matter how many were purchased, I paid $75.00.
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