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I am thinking about switching to a different motor package for my son in the jr.1 class. Since it has become a partial TAG class, I was wondering if it would be OK to run a Biland. If it is, and can’t see a reason why it wouldn’t be allowed. What weight or restrictor plate would it require?
Derick “Brian” Moore
That would be like running a Corvette against Chevettes. I dont think so. The ANIMAL is the motor for JR 1.
In GJ we let a mini max run in junior 1. It is not fast as Ben had a full second on the field and the mini max was well back in the pack. I was teasing Rod that we may have to do a NASCRAP on him by adding weight to bring him back to the rest! They have just flat got their program together.
Just saw the following at ekartingnews, possibly another option Parilla Gazelle 60cc electric start engine
May 18, 2004 News
SKUSA Approves Junior 1 Local Option ClassMartin Casey, SKUSA?s National Tech Director, has recently approved the addition of a local option JR1 class to run on a regional level. Both the Yamaha and Comer engines will be allowed under traditional junior 1 rules structure along with the Parilla Gazelle 60cc electric start engine in a restricted capacity. Technical specifications (effective immediately) for the Parilla Gazelle 60cc, the Yamaha and Comer will be updated to their rule book in the future. Links indicating the technical info on the Parilla Gazelle 60cc are provided below to serve as an interim until they get this added to their rule book.
The offering of this individual class is at the regional director’s discretion but will be conducted under the rules specified by SKUSA.
Casey adds that Seattle Karting Specialties in Washington is importing the engine and Italian Motors of Vancouver, Canada. The engine is currently being run at some of the Regional SKUSA events around the U.S. Again, this is not to replace the Comer or the Yamaha, but to give another option to the class. SKUSA will be laying out a JR1 class in the rule book and it will be a class listed as a local option, with rules and guidelines for the racer to follow.
The engine can be found by contacting importers Italian Motors at http://www.italianmotors.com (604) 253-4248 or Seattle Karting Specialties at http://www.seattlekarting.com (253) 383-2222. They will be able to supply a list of dealers who offer this engine.
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http://www.ekartingnews.com/docs/gazellescan0007.jpgHere are the allowed engines for CSC Junior 1:
This class is for drivers 8-11 years of age running 4-cycle engines. Stock Briggs flathead (methanol), WKA section 701 – exception-billet rod allowed-must be stock length. 240 lbs., Stock B&S Animal (Gas) WKA section 708 exceptions – must run “broached stock factory camshaft” NO grinding of cams allowed. 240 lbs. 80cc Comer engines (Gas) WKA section 611-exception-can run pipe, 220 lbs. Open clutch. Allowed tire compounds are Bridgestone YHC, Dunlop SL-4, Vega Red, Burris M30, MG Red, Maxxis HG3, and Maxxis HT3.
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Races will not be run in the rain except at the finale event in Steamboat Springs. Shifter classes will use SKUSA tech rules, TaG classes by TAGUSA / SKUSA tech rules, and the rest (4 cycle, Junior 1, Junior 2, and Kid Karts) will use WKA tech rules. Any exceptions to these rules are stated below.
CSC looks to WKA for Junior 1.
Some question came up this last weekend about Rotax Mini max in Junior 1. While GJMS allows these to run in Junior 1 (there were 3 of them), my understanding is that they won’t count toward points in the CSC series.
If you get the supercharger make sure the fetzer valve is clean. You lose so much power with a dirty fetzer valve.
8)Derrick,
Your son runs a Comer doesn’t he? Do you think it is down on power? Brandon looked like he was running pretty well on Sunday.
Yes my son ran a comer last Sunday, and yes I know for a fact we are down on power even with the lower weight required for the comer. The only track that my son has a chance of winning on barring a catastrophe “and don’t want to see any of those” is Bandimere. My son will be running an animal at the next event. The Biland comments were written in as sarcasm. I thought it was wrong for the rotax mini max to be run with junior 1, based on the rules agreed at the beginning of the season. I also knew that it dosn’t do any good to complain to any of the promoters. I have absolutely no problem with the three engine packages being run in jr. 1, since I like to see as big of a class as possible.
Derick,
I gave such a serious answer that now I feel like I was a little dense. I didn’t get the sarcasm. 😯
You are probably right, the fast tracks definitely favor the Animals, although James – Michael Sullivan got around pretty well at GJMS with the comer. I agree with you on the Rotax Mini Maxes. I guess that is the track’s perogative, but I don’t agree with the double secret handshake on letting them run. I just wish they had run them back 40 yards like other mixed classes as the obligatory 1st lap crash was just compounded by the addition of 3 mini maxes. My son’s race was effectively over in the 2nd turn with a bent steering rod and ruined side pod.
Jeff, even IF the Mini Maxes were scored as a seperate class, they would not necessarily have started back 40 yards. Often mixed classes are simply lined up as they qualify. The staggered start for the TaG Jr / Jr2 / 60 Novice was mainly due to the standing start required by the shifters.
I find it interesting that the original complaints about putting the Mini Maxes in Junior 1 had to do with the seemingly overwhelming power they had over the other engines, but now it seems they are just getting in the way all together! (in case you don’t recognize it, there is some sarcasm there 😀 – it is sometimes hard to convey those type of emotions in writing 😆 )
One more thing, the Mini Maxes did NOT get points for the series. There was no “double secret handshake” — Stacey made it clear from the middle of the off season that he would be running them with the Junior 1s at his track, but that does not mean they get points in the series. And that call was not mine to make, rather came from the majority (the other two) track owners involved – also that is what was decided when this was discussed long ago.
Derrick, so now you have an animal – did you get the restricted 80, too?!
angie
Angie, yes I think Brandon will have a restricted 80 by next race. I am not absolutely sure though. Been going through the money like im a millionaire. It sure is fun to spend like one till the bills come in! I am trying to find a used cr80 as the “millionaire” is worried just a little on his outgoing expenses right now. But can’t wait to see how fast Brandon will be with the animal.
Angie,
If you look at every other class at GJMS, to my knowledge the only class that ran karts that had obvious non-spec motors that were ineligible for points were the Junior 1s, so forgive some of us who question the logic of doing it.
I don’t think it was communicated at all, except on race day, and even then I didn’t hear Stacey say at the drivers meeting that they would be ineligible for points. That in essence, they were running for practice. He may have said that to someone afterward in a private conversation, but I found out about from Brad Linkus this week.
I think it is fair to say that what GJMS did was unusual and it was communicated late, and communication had some holes in it. That’s all I am saying.
Don’t get me wrong, I think the folks at GJMS did a great job. It was very well run and is a first class facility run by very nice people. The issue with the Junior 1s wasn’t a show stopper by any means. I would never argue to exclude anyone unless I thought there was a safety issue. The mini maxes were neither overpowered (yet) or way underpowered, so there was no safety issue. But there was definitely a “traffic” issue.
But that’s racing.
See you soon.
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