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A bunch of motors, equalized and sealed.
Provided on race day morning to the participant, with fuel.
A simple pea pick determines who gets what motor.
The entry fee for the Kid Kart class is the same as all the other classes, with no extra charge for using that motor.
Same spec gear.Given the choice between the above or exhibition only racing, I think this is the way to go.
Are we talking about CSC or IMI or both?
I didn?t say this was our only option. I said ?Given the choice?.. I think this is the way to go.?
Tech did do its job last year, and kids were DQed. We shouldn?t have to DQ kids.
Quoting from the 05 CSC Kid Kart rules?
?Class Purpose: The Kid Kart class is an entry level racing environment which primary purpose is to offer a safe, fun, and educational experience for its participants. This class serves as an opportunity to train and teach beginning drivers, and their parents, about proper event procedures, safety rules, racing etiquette, driving skills and sportsmanship.?You said it ?at the end of the day these are kids.”
The ?fun? was draining fast for all involved. ?. KK parents were causing more headaches for tech and officials than any other class. The class became divided, the rumors were flying, and it wasn?t fair to anyone ? kids, parents, officials. This should allow the kids and parents to go back to having fun at the track, and put the focus back where it should be
The ?kill your kid class? you refer to was one of the classes offered at IMI. That decision is up to Brad, but I believe that he is doing the supplied motors for his races, too.
Any kids that are doing national level events should find that racing the CSC, with equal spec motors, should be great preparation. What better way for them to hone their driving skills, and for dad to hone his chassis set up skills?
It is good that George is going to have a junior program at CRE this year. I hope you and your kids have fun wherever you decide to race. We will be posting 2006 schedules and details on all the tracks? and CSC?s programs as they become available. The official CSC schedule and class rules will be posted at http://www.coloradosprintchampionship.com soon.
Angie
:peaceWe would have to agree with you Angie. Use sealed motors that are given out on race day morning and everyone using the sme gearing. Hopefully this would elimate the unessary controversy in a class that is meant to be a learning class to improve their driving skills at a youg age.
Mr Hale,
I find it interesting that you would have such a strong opinion on the Kid kart class for the CSC or for any other track for that matter. I researched the results from last year and you only raced at one CSC race, the last race at Action karting, other than that race there was one race at IMI, the last one this season. Where are you racing to form your opinions on the CSC as if you are some expert on how we run our series?
I also have an issue with your opinion that someone will be making a pile of money if the engines are supplied for each participant. The engines will be supplied with no charge to the participant, not one dime more in entry fee than any other CSC class.
The whole body is one problem with the Comer class and the rest can be attributed mainly to one thing and that is your friend and engine builder Scott Smith. Before Scott Smith started building engines we really did not have much of a problem with the Comer class and had run the class without all of the accusations and tech problems which have surfaced in the last two seasons. The variances in engines are a problem when parents listen to Scott Smith and believe the only way the child can become competitive is to have him blueprint their engine so that they are equal with all of the other engines Scott has built and the one or two that were sent out of state. If the motor is only part of the equation then why do you have two Scott Smith built engines and you don?t even race the series? Why is it every time there is a problem in tech Scott Smiths name is brought up? How many cut seals and other Scott Smith tricks do I have to look for every time one of his engines ends up in tech? This is a story of how one man can ruin a class with all of his manipulative bulls***. He calls everyone and anyone to stir the pot. I am done with it.
You were not the one who had to listen to the complaints all season about this person is cheating and that person is cheating and when are you going to tear this engine down and how did this kid get faster in one week after Scott Smith built the engine. I am sick and tired of one person having such a detrimental effect on one class and how this engine building has resulted in a negative attitude between the parents.
Going to a Honda will solve absolutely nothing as they can be blueprinted just as easily as any other engine and then everyone will have to buy a new engine package.
I am buying 20 Comer engines. Each one will be torn down, inspected, and changes made if necessary to make them all as equal as possible. Then each one will be run on my dyno and matched as close as possible. If there is one or two engines that are better than the others after this process they will not be used. If a parent believes there is a problem with the engine they have drawn that day they can exchange it for another. The spec fuel will be sealed in the tank and supplied with the engine. All of the karts will use the same gear.
The bottom line is you will not be able to buy a win with the engine in this class anymore. Scott Smith will have to find some other way to stir up the s*** and I am sure he will try.
It is funny that you get on the forums and complain about the proposal we have made without offering any real solution to the problem other than to cry about my solution as being not fair.
Then you come on with I am selling everything and going back to MX. You do know there is no engine tech in MX and there are engines that are built to the max even 100cc 50?s, cheater fuel and anything else you can get away with. It looks like you should fit right in with that group.It is a good thing that George is going to run the Scott Smith Comer class at CRE, it will give a place for the entire stock of Smith blueprinted engines in Colorado to go and George can deal with the brain damage. He will probably have Scott do tech anyway so that will make it easier.
If anyone has a better idea or any suggestions to add please get it out there for everyone to see.
The supplied motor option is the fairest way to go if we, as a series, continue to “score” the kid karts. I haven’t seen one 5-7 year old “protest” another 5-7 year old. However, I sit back and listen to the parents and it drives me crazy. That is why you don’t see my son racing yet. This summer, when I can control the class at The Track, it will be his turn to “Learn to Race”.
The other option to stop all the protests is to stop scoring the class. Bring on anything you want, no scoring, checkerd flag at random, teach the kids how to drive and race.
I would rather see the kids scored, so making the class a true “SPEC” class is the only option.
Brad, Thanks to your offer to make this work, and not standing yelling at the problem.
JimThanks Brad, equal engines = fair & honest racing. This will keep the dads focused on the right things(maybe), teaching safety, sportsmanship, comunication, and then all about racing.
To All,
The insanity that you are experiencing is the very reason the two major sanctioning bodies, WKA & IKF have required that the class be run as a non competitive, educational, exhibition class…..but after 40 plus years in business, what do they know? A class that should only be about learning and fun has been turned in to a nightmare. It should also be taken back to club level to maintain the kids future interest in the sport…..eight hours at the track is an eternity to a five or six year old.
I applaud the track owners efforts to solve the problem but it isn’t necessary to tear the engines down in an effort to make them equal. We’ve had three years of competition with sealed box stock Comer 80’s in our Junior program and they have been spot on out of the box. What should make the Comer 50 any different? The only differences in competition have been age, experience and talent.
I totally agree with the assessment that there has been one party behind the unrest and destruction of a potentially exciting and fun class for all. CRE will be offering a Junior Driver Developement Racing Series in 2006 and I can guarantee you Scott Smith WILL NOT be involved. He was banned from participation at CRE in 2004……we learned our lesson early and well.If this program does not cost us any more money I’m on board with the idea of supplied motors. What a great idea if you can pull it off. What a great way to make this class fun and avoid the conflicts that I have already observed. I have just recently joined the karting world (08-05) and my son raced in kid karts one race at IMI. Just in the short time I have been involved I have seen and observed the tension that the grey area in built comer 50’s has brought. I don’t how it was before but I can image how it can be, definately with this program it will be better than it is now. I think this is a great compromise. I do plan on being a regular in the 2006 season.
The perfect world of soccer moms and politically correct schools where there are no winners and everyone who participates receives identical awards so feelings won?t get hurt just does not work in racing. From the youngest child to the oldest grandparent they all know too well who the winner of the race is at the checkered flag. This do-gooder mentality will do nothing to stop what has happened to the kid kart class and only make things worse. Children learn the lesson of winning and loosing very early in life and trying to make the class just an exhibition will not take away the competitive nature of racing when they see a kart in front of them. Nor will it change the parent?s perception and their desire to have their child out in front. If you believe that is not the case then you are looking at the world through rose colored glasses. How will eliminating a winner make a child feel any different when they are too young to understand the intended concept of an exhibition class?
Jim, how will this be any different if you control the class at your track when it is open?I agree with brad. We ran two kid kart exhibition races at CRE this year and trust me the boys knew who won and lost. So to make this class an exhibition only class is not going to fix the problem. Exhibition only is not even an option to me. That being said, how do we go forward with brads program. Is there voting involved or do you just implement it.
The CSC will be using this supplied motor program for 2006. There will, of course, still be some “rules” and procedures which will be spelled out and put on the CSC web site. No voting. It is already decided! Thanks for the feedback, though, and we look forward to having a fun season!
angie
I really don?t have a dog in this fight currently, but will in a couple of years, and understand where this is all coming from. But what about those soccer moms and others less ?technical? in nature will there be some kind of instructions-support system? 😀
For most putting on one of these motors in worse case scenarios is a 20 minute job, but for those who haven?t done it before, are technically inept, don’t want to get their hands dirty or husbands can?t make it (I saw this a couple of times last year) will you depend of the generosity and idle time of others or will staff be there to help out?
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