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So, Brad…just to clarify. We will need to pay the $50 and sign up with TaG USA for this one race even if we’ve run in the CSC this year? (which i understand is a TaG qualifying series). Just makin sure, this should be fun! 😀
Brad Can We Sighn up at the track or do we need to send a form in to TAG USA?
Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You can sign up at the track but you will save a few bucks with early sign up. Go to http://www.tagusa.us for the forms
We are going to offer the 4-stroke TAG class two classes, light and heavy for this event. I am polling the drivers for weights. We are looking at 385 for light and 420-425 for heavy. The entry form will remain the same and we will take care of it at signup. Any comments?
I would like to see the class get really large (40+) before a split. However, if you are going to have a split, make it a true heavy and light split. At 385 lbs we will still have 65lbs of lead, nuts and bolts attached to every open spot on the kart as well as a completely full gas tank. 😥 It is better than 80lbs of lead but our kart will still be too heavy for two people to lift in the “light” class. 👿 If you are going to have a “light” class make it truly light – 360lbs or less! If you are going to establish a heavy class you are already accommodating the heavier drivers so please accommodate the lighter drivers. Better yet, and for the sake of bad backs and safety, establish a rule that limits the amount of lead that can be added to a kart, say 40 lbs.
For a LIGHT class I vote for 360lbs or a max of 40lbs of lead added to a kart. 385lbs is simply too close to the “accommodate everyone” current weight of 400lbs to be called “light.”
That’s my two cents worth. :cheers:
Stay at 385 lbs. 360 is for Jr drivers in the Jr class. 😛 havin fun with you Toby
AJ,
We run at 320lbs in the Jr Rotax class and I still have to put 20lbs of lead on the kart! Jesse is thin. But how fun would a Sr Tag motor be at Jr weight???
Since the weight for most of the “non-light” or standard Sr Tag class is 360lbs. A light class should be even less. How about 340lbs? 😀
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How about a master’s LIGHT class that runs at a weight break against the Seniors…nah, I’d STILL get my butt kicked. hahahah. I could get down to 330 or so in my Easykart. This is intriguing only to us flyweights, Larry, but good initiative!
I’d still rather run in a big field of fatties (no offense intended, fatties) than a small field of skinnies.
oh nuts, I just realized I have no dog in this fight ref the TaG worlds. I’ll pipe down now and try to stick to commenting on stuff that actually affects me.
Sorry Brad, back to our regularly scheduled competitors.
A lot of regions already consider the Tag classes as light and heavy vs Senior and Masters. If the Tag senior is 360 lbs., I think 4 Stroke Light should be 375 lbs. and 4 Stroke Heavy should be 425lbs. (Rotax Master is 405 lbs.) The package is quite a bit heavier than the standard Tag engines currently running. That is a 50 lb split!
If the average adult male is around 185 lbs, it would give them a chance too. There are drivers in this class who are coming in over 450 lbs. We were going to race 4 Stroke at the Worlds, split or not, because we are committed to help Brad build this class. But it is a little tough going in knowing you don’t have much of a chance no matter how good your driver is. Not to mention all the related cost of entering and maintaining an entry, knowing your more than likely going to be a “also ran”.
Not sure about having to have 40 entries to make this happen and certainly don’t want to be considered as the person being “accommodated” we’ve been down this road before. If Jesse was coming in 30 some lbs. heavier than Roman, I think he’d have his hands full keeping up with him (man that would be a lot of lead Lol) Look at the affect 20 – 30 or 40 lbs. make to an F1 car or any racing machine, no less a Kart.
Anyway, even if there is only 12 -15 guys in the light class. There will be some great competition with the caliber of drivers going into that class. I know a few of the Super Pro level drivers entering that class have a lot of Tag seat time and are very focused and have been prepping their machines to the highest levels. It may be the race of the weekend. It will be a very good accomplishment to podium in that class.
It will be cool for the drivers who weigh over 185 – 190 lbs to have a chance like that too. I would rather watch 12 Karts engaged in a serious battle than see a runaway with 30 Karts. Thats not much fun.
At 340 lbs. That would be a good Tag 4 Stroke Expert class! If you have a 110 or 120 lb driver :bang
Rick, I wasn?t seriously suggesting 340lbs (but, man, wouldn?t that be fun with one of these motors). 😀 While 360lbs would be good for us I think the 425/375 split you suggested is more realistic. If I remember right, our Vampire package is about 10 lbs heavier than a Rotax package. This split is about 15-20lbs more than the Rotax (Sr/Masters) split and should allow a large number of drivers to be competitive in their respective weight classes. We?ll just have to invest in one of those electric kart thingies. 👿
I think big fields are way cool but only if speeds are competitive (Nationals, FWT, etc.). I agree that having two separate classes with more evenly matched lap times is way more fun to watch than a larger field where lap times are widely separated due to weight differences.
It?s so cool that we are even having this conversation. In just their first year of introduction, these new four stroke engines are becoming so popular we are discussing split classes. The thought that they may have the largest and most competitive classes at the upcoming Tag World Finals says it all. As I tried to say at the beginning of the year, bring on the four strokes! :cheers:
I’m with you. Wait till next year! The 4 Strokes are here to stay.
I used to race Moto Cross back in the day. And I’ve always enjoyed watching it on TV since. When the 4 Strokes started coming in, I thought they were kinda wimpy sounding and never thought they would catch on. Well? They are predominant, and a decade from now karting will see a similar cross over I believe.
There are a lot of people who haven’t had the chance to drive one yet. I would like to cycle every butt we can on Romans kart this fall. It’s done racing after the Worlds and the Supernationals is not recognizing the class YET. So, all you Tag Masters / Seniors guys, jump on. It is “Balls Deluxe” It drives similar to a shifter as far as driving style goes. There is no trail braking on these. Turn in, set it, catch it with power (oh it’s there) jack that thing off the corners like your probably not used to yet. Just fun.
I honestly believe the Oral and Biland are going to be great packages as well. It will be cool watching this grow. Rodney (Freezeman) wants to put 2 on a chassis! Whoa! We all like things that scare us. We’d really like that.
Listening to these things at full song, going into a brake zone? It gives me chicken skin. Monaco, with these motors at redline and the sound bouncing off the buildings!!! One of the coolest moments in my racing stints for sure.
As far as having to lift your kart. It’s certainly a by product of your drivers size. Having raced close with the Kistlers for the past several years, I can see what a grind it is, having to lift that 20 some times a day? My karts are light (never added ballast) but the by product I face is trying to overcome a weight penalty, it is self induced a realize. But trying to be competitive at the weights we run can be a challenge.
There is about 15.5 lbs difference in the engines alone. But with components (bigger battery, radiator, water capacity etc..) we ended up 27.5 lbs difference between the two packages.
The ultimate race from a tuner stand point, would be to put all of our drivers on the track with totally identical packages (Iroc?) and let them go at it! I think these 4 strokes are going to be about as close as it gets to that.
Looking forward to some good racing in a few weeks.
Peace – out.
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Brad,
What is going to be the full race format. From Practice to qualifying to race.
Also how many people out of state and out of the Country are coming, since this is a WORLD FINAL EVENT!!!Please explain.
Thank you.
Looking forward to be there.
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