- October 8, 2006 at 11:39 pm #41724
Considering the CSC is a regional level racing program I was amazed at some of the driving. First before I go into detail please do not think im bashing anyones kid or his or her skills. I would love to see more competitors in the sport. I am sure I will get bashed back for my next comments but I can handle it. Parents with kids driving karts that are beyond there current driving ability “SHOULD NOT BE RACING at the regional level” Get your kid out and practice as often as possible. Enter them at a club race where we expect to see new drivers. I would have been absolutely livid instead of mildly upset had we been racing today and been in a points battle. Not only is it unfair to those battling for points to win a championship, but it is also flat out dangerous. You can come back with the argument that you need to learn to pass slower drivers. That would be fine if the person you were passing was at least a little consistent and was semi predictable. I don’t know how long the Track is, but when you are passing someone for the second time in a 10 lap race “that person is not in a race”. There is a way to let those that choose to race beyond there skill level throw the black flag on them and remove them from the track before they become a hazard. As I said this is not meant to be a mean spirited post just my opinion and my personal observation.
Brian MooreOctober 9, 2006 at 8:04 pm #55111
I thought the CSC was a state level series. Regional to me means several states in a region. That would mean several races out of state. Am I wrong here or am a missing something? :idn:October 9, 2006 at 8:53 pm #55112Doug WelchParticipant
I thought the CSC was a state level series. Regional to me means several states in a region. That would mean several races out of state. Am I wrong here or am a missing something? :idn:
I can easily understand the confusion. In general, karting has 3 levels of racing. Club level races are held at one track only. Regional level races are held at several tracks and National events cover a much wider geographical area. Back east, a “regional” series often may cover several states but you have to remember, states are much smaller back there. For example, a 4 hour drive out of Chicago gives you 5 states! If we drive 4 hours we get to Wyoming. A regional series in Southern California, never leaves SoCal. A regional series in the upper midwest covers 4 or 5 states, yet the geographical area is about the same.
To me, club racing is where the new racers should play. Regional racing costs more money (equipment and travel) and is a place for better club racers and national level drivers looking for more. National level is national.October 9, 2006 at 11:47 pm #55113
My son is a “new” racer and he seems to be holding his own right in the middle of the pack. He was lapped in the main race, but he was not confident that day because of the conditions and the drizzle was starting. If the new and slow racers are not welcome at the CSC, you would have maybe 3 or 4 Jr1 animals and maybe no k80’s. Is that what is good for Colorado karting?
It seems that Conner New had no problems with the slower traffice in the qualifying,heat or main race. I never saw it as a real problem until some drivers were impatient and tried to pass in the wrong places.
If the field was larger I probably would just stick to the club races (which would only be at IMI for his class) but after we bought the kart we were graciously invited by the rest of the class members to come and run in the CSC, so we did and he had a good time, and made some friends
So at what point would it be OK to run in the CSC, should there be a board that would review the resume and a vote to be in the CSC?
I guess I am not too happy seeing this post since this was Mr. Moore’s son’s first CSC race after looking back at the point standings, It doesn’t do much for the sport and gripe about kids who may be slower than some but having a good time racing and making friends…October 10, 2006 at 1:13 am #55114
Im sorry that you feel I am personally attacking you or your son. I am not targeting any one person by my comment. I agree Conner had less of a problem passing since he was driving an animal instead of a comer. In the comer there were two karts battling for second place. I would like to know when it would be appropriate to pass? If my Son or Colby Yardley were to wait to pass what do you think would happen? If you say wait till the long straight to pass all it would take is for the animal driver to press the gas and a comer has no chance whatsoever. I welcome any new driver to the wonderful world of karting. Do your kid and yourself a favor for next year practice as often as possible. There is no replacement for seat time. If your kid is running up front next year you too will see my perspective of passing slower non predictable drivers. Yes you are absolutely correct that CSC #9 race was the only race we went to this year in Colorado, and by the 9th race everyone should be up to speed. If we had been running for points like I said before I would have been livid instead of mildly upset. Since you brought up the fact that Conner had no trouble passing, ask his dad what goes on in his mind everytime his kid has to pass an unpredictable driver. I know you may not like what my post states, but what im willing to say in person or on here is also on others minds even though they may be to afraid or want to please everyone and not make any waves.
Brian MooreOctober 10, 2006 at 3:15 am #55115
I really did not take it personally, I felt that your comments were an insult to 1/2 of the animal class and a few of the K80s. Each driver racing in the race, may it be for 5th, 6th or 7th, etc were “racing” for a position and trying to improve on there last race. In a perfect world the whole field would be even and no one would get lapped. I have seen lap traffice in every race from karting to NASCAR. Lap traffic is a fact of life. Good drivers deal with it. I honestly did not see any unpredictable driving in the Jr1 main race. Seemed pretty clean to me.
Before the race I told my son to let all the faster karts by and let the front runners race.
And by the way, we have been practicing nearly every weekend since we bought our kart.October 10, 2006 at 4:03 pm #55116AnonymousInactive
You’re giving the impression of being a football dad, or soccer mom if you wish. Maybe you’re just a Jimmie Johnson and/or Jeff Gordon fan. “(whining) I’m in the chase, everyone needs to get out of my way 😥 “
I wish you were, or I’m sorry, your son was in a points race, the entertainment value of watching you throw a hissy fit would have been worth it.
I don’t know how the “Stars” series operates, but if this kind of attitude is accepted there, I will never be a part of it.
Let’s not forget, these are kids! Even the most experienced are subject to brain farts, or just a bad day.
These kids your “mildly upset” about were here all year. They were welcomed in by those of us who decided to run the CSC, while you were off posturing your personal boycott.
Don’t come back for ONE race and think you’re going to critisize what these kids have. You may have a problem with it, but I haven’t heard any of the regulars with one complaint, kids or dads.
Taylor and I look at this as great experience. As Les pointed out, no matter where you go in any form of racing, there will be slower vehicles that the front runners will have to deal with. ❗
If you spend any time at all at any Saturday night short track, you know that most invert the start for the Feature (mains). The fast cars have to start in the middle or tail and work thier way through the slower, maybe inexperienced, unpredictable drivers.
I want her to get used to that now, not when she gets to CNS or I-25.
But for now, you need to hold your crying untill you know whether you can “comit” to run in ’07 or go back to “Stars”.
My ‘signature’ was started as a joke, but I feel it fits perfectly here.October 10, 2006 at 4:27 pm #55117
Its ok that our opinions differ, and yes I can accept your point of view. At STARS they remove those that are about to be lapped before they play into the results of the race. I know that sounds harsh, but there is still plenty of passing going on with those not being lapped. This is not a perfect world, and I wish I had a good remedy that would please everyone. I want to see a class with at least 20 jr.1 karts with the same engine package. Whatever engine package those with the power choose.
P.S. Brandon had no trouble getting around the slower comers some were stock so it was essentially the same as Conner passing slower animals. Could not just press the go pedal on a straight to keep from being able to pass. Maybe the animals should have been racing with the mini max.October 11, 2006 at 2:23 am #55118Mike EdwardsParticipant
Brian……I read your posts and just shake my head. The new kids in the JR1 class have done a great job and improve every week! You need to step back and remember when your son was just learning and was sometimes in the way as well…..The stars policy of black flagging a driver before they get lapped makes no sense. Just think if Nascar did that at Bristol, they would end up with 3 or 4 cars running at the end. Or what if the 24hours of Daytona was run under that format does that make sense?
Your opinions are just that, your opinions but don’t bash these kids and there families that have supported this series all year. :bs:
Mike EdwardsOctober 11, 2006 at 2:41 am #55119
Exactly it is an opinion rather than bashing that you see this being. Even in Nascar they have a minimum speed to maintain otherwise the car is removed as well. If one of those cars on the track was lapped every ten laps it would be removed. In a 24 hour race I can definately see passing the same car many times, and yes thats a lot different than a ten lap race. Maybe I should have kept my thoughts and opinion to myself. I can also say that if my kid wasn’t up to speed in the class he was running I would not have him in the race. It costs too much money for me just to race for fun. Don’t read into that we are not enjoying ourselves on race day. We enjoy ourselves rather we finish first or last. If it’s just for fun then why are there points involved, and for that matter a finishing position?
Sorry to anybody I upset with this original post, but again it is an opinion.
Brian MooreOctober 11, 2006 at 3:03 am #55120Mike EdwardsParticipant
Brian….What is it your racing for if not for fun? If it costs too much you can always buy trophys!
P.S. I’m not upset…. Just trying to understand. I look at all this as entertainment.
MikeyOctober 11, 2006 at 3:18 am #55121
Unlike the other hundred or so other racers we are there to be #1. As I said we do have fun even if my son dosen’t finish first, but yes that is the objective. Also if it was up to me we wouldn’t have any trophy’s all they do is collect dust in the corner of a room we don’t use. I would much rather have a gift certificate that would help with the racing budget.
P.S to race two classes pit space four pit passes $190. If we were driving just for fun I could go to the track 5 days and practice for less than the $190. That did not include the cost of two new sets of tires I would have normally been out if we were racing in the points. Maybe if I was made of money like the other hundred or so karters we could race just for fun too.”yes I do realize most karters are not made of money” but it sounded good so couldn’t resist.October 11, 2006 at 3:33 am #55122Joe RosseParticipant
Maybe if I was made of money like the other hundred or so karters we could race just for fun too.”yes I do realize most karters are not made of money” but it sounded good so couldn’t resist.
I think what you’re hearing is that it would be appreciated if you worked just a bit harder on resisting saying whatever pops into your head. Has it occured to you that just maybe some of the kids you’re dumping on also read your posts? And don’t have the ability to put you into perspective that some of us adults do?
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